Hi, I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing. Apple has been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences. That’s the “convenience” part of things. Security is much more complicated and the use of security certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but improve security of your accounts.
I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail Prefs. You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any Mail account in the Server Settings tab. Simply VO-space on the selected SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, > with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have > disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail password. > It would seem some others have had the same problem but the majority not. > Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and re-adding, > changing password on mail home web page and waiting for mac mail promp to > enter correct password. These are all long processes if you regulary update > passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the sudden > disappearance of the sever settings. Ron. > > >> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that >> anything has changed over the past few weeks. >> >> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and >> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane >> of mail Prefs. >> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered >> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required. >> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work Space, >> are handled in a special manner. The private browser actions will be >> triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google password >> is no longer valid. That is, if you’re in Mail, System Preferences/Internet >> Accounts, or in a browser. Google will tell you that the password is >> incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it. Once you’ve entered the >> correct password in the private browser session, it is fixed everywhere it >> needs fixed. >> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password >> in Internet accounts. >> >> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, >> an account when simply changing a password. >> >> Later… >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >>> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed in >>> the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and >>> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but >>> this is a long way around a change of password for each account for >>> example. Ron. >>> >>> >>>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account >>>> settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The Accounts >>>> tab in Mail settings is there for some specialized purposes and historic >>>> reasons. In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is just >>>> reflecting information from the Internet Settings of System Preferences. >>>> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences >>>> because it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is >>>> essentially a more secure version of the application password you have >>>> been using. >>>> After you enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will >>>> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the >>>> Google password. Once confirmed in the browser, then mail, notes, contacts >>>> and calendar can applications can link to the equivalent Google services >>>> for viewing and editing. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> Jonathan Cohn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 30, 2022, at 17:27, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi John, I’m going through Mail preferences.. This is where I previously >>>>> changed any mil settings such as login password etc. after selecting >>>>> ’server settings’. They were there 2 weeks ago when I updated a password >>>>> for one of the accounts.Thanks Ron. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 30 May 2022, at 16:58, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you going through System preferences Internet Accounts or Mail >>>>>> preferences? I don’t see server settings when I look at my Internet >>>>>> Accounts, but have that tab available to me in Mail Preferences for each >>>>>> of my accounts. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 30, 2022, at 4:32 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Brad, I did that, entered the account details etc. and as soon as I >>>>>>> go to the internet accounts , choose the new one, click server >>>>>>> settings again, no server settings are shown! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 May 2022, at 14:07, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My suggestion is to go to System Preferences > Internet Accounts, and >>>>>>>> delete the account, or accounts, that are having an issue. Then, >>>>>>>> recreate the account, and enter the necessary information. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Brad - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 29, 2022, at 05:16, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi there, I went to enter a App Specific Password into my Mac Mail >>>>>>>> Gmail account server settings only to find they are no longer visable. >>>>>>>> In fact all the mail account server settings have gone except for an >>>>>>>> Outlook account. They were visable 2 weeks ago as I updated the >>>>>>>> password on one of them and it was straight forward. Looking online >>>>>>>> there seems to have been various problems similar over the years. I >>>>>>>> have been unable to find a way of resolving this problem. Does anyone >>>>>>>> have any idea’s? >>>>>>>> I am fairly new to computing , so any simple instructions would be >>>>>>>> appreciated. 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