Karen,
Just a couple points. Or three. Keep in mind that Apple likely
fields hundreds of calls and emails daily. They try hard to be of
assistance.
Tour 2012 Mac has no touch bar as later models do. You must be
referring to the track pad. An external keyboard would certainly help
there. Or an external trackpad which then allows disabling the built in
one via a setting.
If you are prompted for your login password, you can enter it when
prompted. You will get used to it because it is part of the security
scheme Apple has implemented. Yes its annoying but there it is.
Perhaps you can find a local blind user through a local blind
organization who can come and help? Might be worth a try.
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On 6/9/2022 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
hi Tim,
One of your answers sort of illustrates how off the mark Apple
accessibility was then.
they did not reference a need to connect, simply tried, and failed,
given the steps were missing its no wonder.
we did adjust the basic system audio, finding no startup sound checkbox
either.
Still knowing about f11 and f12 helps allot, so thanks for that as well.
I have decided to seek an apple store in person because I am truly
hoping there is some way to curb how this machine's touch bar...which I
absolutely hate, react, lower the level of sensitivity.
My sleeves set the thing off, and it impacts what is happening, with my
being too new at things to get out of what happens. If not I will need
to use an external keyboard, something keeps triggering a request for me
to provide my administrative password, with my not managing to find
the old school apple tutorial under voiceover utilities either.
its frustrating getting locked into say a folder in a utility,
following the steps I believe I am hearing, for nothing to work.
On the other hand it was cool hearing my battery level by using vo-m and
working my way across.
No idea why I believed the Music app came with big shore, its a part of
Catalina too.
Anyway we forge forward.
kare
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
See my responses below in your text.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 8, 2022, at 17:48, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
wrote:
Hi,
Not necessarily, at least for my combination of experiences.
If I do, as I plan tomorrow, check the sound effects sub-menu and a
means of setting sound as you wisely share here, I get to establish
a baseline of sound that from an auditory processing standpoint
insures I can say hear past the tinnitus I have in one ear. I
already know my associate states the volume is low.
From what you provide here f-11 and f-12 will adjust the system
volume allowing me to make changes, when wearing headphones, or
using a speaker, or any number of situations.
Still, and I am happy to be corrected if wrong, would not the sound
return to the level of the computer once shut down, meaning it
would not absolutely recall where I left the f-11 f-12 setting?
TK: The level of volume that was set before restart or shutdown is
normally the level that it will return to upon startup the next time.
again happy to be wrong, but for me personally, better to have a
sound baseline I can adjust then hear nothing by mistake.
Will report on the startup checkbox, if my time tomorrow supports
your wisdom, I will be sharing that with apple accessibility.
After all, not only did I provide my apple id, but I shared the exact
Catalina edition I use..so no reason for misinformation.
While I have your ear, what steps must I go through for an apple
accessibility person's effort to see my screen actually work?
They claimed that when tried the system on their side said they
could not find my mac...go figure.
TK: They should be able to connect to you either via a share screen
request through iMessages, or they can send you a link that you can
connect to through their support system. If by iMessage, you will
need iMessage set up on your Mac with either or both of your Apple ID
eMail or mobile phone number enabled as iMessage usable.
If there is an additional setting, I would appreciate knowing in case
I have another problem like yesterday.
Thanks,
Karen
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
This is being made more complex than it needs to be.
• System volume is the level of everything. This is controlled
either by the volume keys, F11 and F12 for down and up respectively,
or you can use the VoiceOver command of VO-minus or VO-equals. Yes,
there is control for this in the Sound pane, but that would make
your life more complicated and there’s no need to go there.
• the Apple Accessibility representative was mistaken for Catalina.
This checkbox for the Startup Chime is not available in Catalina.
It was introduced in Big Sur.
• if you currently do not have the Startup Chime, then you’ll either
need to turn up the system volume, which I’ve outlined above, use
the Terminal command I outlined in an earlier post, or, in some
cases, you can reset the PRAM and it will be heard.
• to reset the PRAM, turn your Mac off, then wait a few seconds,
turn it back on and immediately hold down cmd+option+r+p. Some
finger gymnastics, but doable.
As I mentioned from the beginning, the Startup Chime was initially a
hardware change, so older Macs that originally had the Startup Chime
should not have lost it in the first place.
HTH.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:08, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
wrote:
If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered to be a
sound effect, hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects
in general as e. T. is suggesting.
will find out on Thursday.
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can
change the volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even
change the volume level of VO on the logon Screen that you get
with File Valt and I don’t think I could last time I had it in
recovery mode, though that was a while back so I could be wrong on
that one.
On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen
<klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I
imagine Johnathan's information will help someone.
Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume
are located.
I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I
am not solid enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are
still optimizing my computer for my use.
Karen
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
You can use:
sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.
Remember that in Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you
will be asked to enter your password if you’re an Admin of the
computer. There will be no audio feedback when entering this
password in Terminal like you would here in regular situations.
If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be able to use
this command.
HTH.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn
<jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable
it in the terminal app with a command that examines and changes
nvram settings for the computer. I think it might have been
Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn this on. Or perhaps a
man --- c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a couple 100
miles away so can't be very specific.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hi,
If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will
normally be set low as well. Are you saying that when you
restart, or startup your computer from scratch, you do not
hear any startup chime?
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen
<klewel...@shellworld.net <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>
wrote:
Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before
big shore, which may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have
it, was never a windows user so all this boot time makes me
crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model
of Mac. That is, the startup chime should still work
normally on that device without any intervention in System
Preferences. I’m willing to be corrected, but I also
believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not
present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it
is a chime that is sounded as part of the boot process. In
older Macs, before it was removed, it doubled as kind of a
system check. If you heard that noise, then the hardware
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless
the drive was a problem.
HTH.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen
<klewel...@shellworld.net
<mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os
10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall the discussion about the apple start up sound
being removed, was told by apple accessibility that this is
corrected by accessing system preferences, sound, sound
effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start
up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up
sound volume is turned up, something I want to know just
in case.
Also, if the start up sound is provided, does it also
happen when awakening the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen
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