Jonathan
,
auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
anything, provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
At this point I am feeling the default voice provided with this mid 2012
installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.
Especially as I
make slight adjustments.
Far more concerned about the combination of keystrokes required, and
although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
said?
Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to
become my
main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
Karen
On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> Karen and all,
> Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen
podcast > demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta
Apple operating > systems?
> They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
> > Best wishes,
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen
<klewel...@shellworld.net> > > wrote:
> > > > Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
> > By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does
not trigger > > the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing
condition.
> > It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after
years of > > being on this list, only now in a position to really
use apple > > products at all.
> > My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting
choices > > because of how a person's body works, is not
inclusion..at all.
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> > > > > Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and
even older > > > machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an
Apple Watch.
> > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen > > > >
<klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > hi Tim,
> > > > Please share what you learn. Just got off the phone with
main > > > > apple support, the time window is only 8 hours, which
is just not > > > > suitable for me as I learn this machine.
> > > > As shared I have no issues with the data not being
presented, with > > > > practice I will likely be fine.
> > > > but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone
like the > > > > late Stephen Hawking to have someone provide his
log in password > > > > every 8 hours?
> > > > If there is not an existing work-around for that
population, one > > > > should be created, even if hidden in the
security privacy area, an > > > > alternative way to provide
password at log in, or something of > > > > that sort.
> > > > best,
> > > > Karen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim
Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > Whether it’s a VoiceOver user or a sighted
user, they will not > > > > > be able to see what is being
entered. Yes, on some web-sites, > > > > > there is a “Show
Password” option, but this is not the case > > > > > for the Login
screen. You do bring up some good points, although > > > > > I’m
not sure I know a workaround for them. Even with newer > > > > >
versions of the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there > >
> > > are things like the fingerprint sensor. The limitation here
is > > > > > still that the full entry of the password is required
after > > > > > restart or logout for security reasons. I will
need to check > > > > > with someone at Apple if there’s some other
way that I’m not > > > > > aware of that would allow for password
entry for someone with > > > > > dexterity challenges.
> > > > > > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Kilburn
> > > > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > > Apple Teacher
> > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen >
> > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tim,
> > > > > > Thanks as always.
> > > > > > When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
> > > > > > since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new
to the > > > > > > mac, or used to a larger keyboard, mistakes are
quite likely.
> > > > > > however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?
the system > > > > > > does not let you speak your password either,
which speaking > > > > > > personally seems like rather a barrier
for those experiencing > > > > > > motor challenges.
> > > > > > While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by
the > > > > > > noninclusive nature of the door if that resonates.
> > > > > > If I could say set the requirement for once every 90
days, > > > > > > giving me more time to either manage this
keyboard or add an > > > > > > external one it would be one thing.
> > > > > > As it is now, the problem prevents me from moving
forward, and I > > > > > > cannot resonate with that situation.
> > > > > > Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Jun
2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are trusted developers that are
built in to the system, > > > > > > > as well as you being able to
tell the MacOS if you want to > > > > > > > “Trust” a specific
web-site for downloads. Leaving the > > > > > > > setting to App
Store and Trusted Developers is your best > > > > > > > option.
Regarding the locking of the screen after sleep or > > > > > > >
screen saver, yes, indeed this can be configured. I’ll > > > > > >
> preface this by saying that when you disable this feature, you >
> > > > > > are leaving your Mac open to security breaches. That
being > > > > > > > said, if you are comfortable with that risk, or
have other > > > > > > > physical reasons for preferring your Mac
not to behave this > > > > > > > way, then the setting is in the
Security & Privacy pane of > > > > > > > System Preferences under
the General tab.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later…
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Kilburn
> > > > > > > Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > > > > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > > > > Apple Teacher
> > > > > > > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > > > > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 08:26, Karen
Lewellen > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understood now, and noted.
> > > > > > > > may just leave it alone as it is less critical
then say, > > > > > > > > logging in at all laughs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On
Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In iOS, you cannot download apps
from third-party sites, > > > > > > > > > you have no choice but to
use the App store. As a result, > > > > > > > > > every app is
vetted by Apple before submission. The other > > > > > > > > >
result is that if someone wants you to run they're > > > > > > > >
> program, they have to submit the app directly to Apple. > > > > >
> > > > The Mac however is a different animal. We can use Safari >
> > > > > > > > to download directly and the system is not directly
> > > > > > > > > sandboxed. Take Zoom. To use it on the iPhone,
App > > > > > > > > > store, no other way though it might work
through Safari. > > > > > > > > > However, there is no Zoom app on
the Mac App store. There > > > > > > > > > are some things that
will work with Zoom, but if you want > > > > > > > > > the actual
program the company provides, you have to go to > > > > > > > > >
there website. It’s a safe app to download, but I > > > > > > > > >
don’t know if you restrict your downloads if that one > > > > > > >
> > would work for instance. My point though is that if you > > > >
> > > > > only download apps from people you know, then you don’t >
> > > > > > > > have to worry about security measures that may or
may not > > > > > > > > > hamper your Mac experience.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 14, 2022, at 21:35,
Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is not that what is meant
by trusted developers > > > > > > > > > > though? My understanding
is that limiting downloads > > > > > > > > > > can protect you from
bugs and viruses.
> > > > > > > > > > I know nothing about the IOS store, having no
iPhone.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the possible time
goes into the hours. As for > > > > > > > > > > > the app store
apps, keep in mind that the Mac app > > > > > > > > > > > store is
not like the one for iOS. I suppose m1 users > > > > > > > > > > >
might have a bit more flex-ability in this manner with > > > > > >
> > > > > Catalyst, but I would not want to limit my app > > > > >
> > > > > > download options for the Mac since most will come from
> > > > > > > > > > > third-party sites.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 14, 2022, at
20:08, Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > > > > > >
<klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I may wait to address this, but since my
hmemate and > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be addressing the log in
password request > > > > > > > > > > > > happening every time a
awaken the mac tomorrow, > > > > > > > > > > > > thought I would
ask about this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I understand from another, and far more
informed > > > > > > > > > > > > apple accessibility team member
that I can either > > > > > > > > > > > > turn off the password
request, or decide how often I > > > > > > > > > > > > want the
request to happen, anyone have an idea how > > > > > > > > > > > >
much time is possible?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, thoughts on the safety of allowing
downloads > > > > > > > > > > > > only from the apple store, and
trusted developers?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kare
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