Ah, you’re right.  Sorry.  Like I said, it’s been years since I’ve used either, 
because I find the problems they create are more trouble than they’re worth.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 26, 2023, at 10:49 AM, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don’t think Quick Nav is what you are thinking it is. Quick Nav is used on 
> web pages for single-letter navigation. VO lock is invoked  with VO+semicolon.
> 
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> On Jan 26, 2023, at 7:27 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> QuickNav locks the VO keys on, so you only have to press the modifier key.  
> In my experience, it creates havoc, so I don’t use it, though to be fair, I 
> haven’t tried to use it in several years, so that may have changed.  But you 
> turn it on by pressing the left and right arrow keys together.  You will hear 
> VO say QuickNav on if it is activated.  It’s a toggle, so to turn it off, 
> just press the left and right arrow keys again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 9:17 AM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> what is qucik nav? Where would I go to make the vo keys capslock?
>> 
>> On 1/26/23, Suzanne Erb <suze...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Try using the Caps Lock for VOkey.  Also try using qucik nav.
>>> This simplifies things immensely.
>>> Suzanne
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 10:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I agree about the VO keys.  Many things on the Mac require the use of
>>>> several keys at once that on Windows can be accomplished with just one or
>>>> two keys.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 8:45 AM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> the vo keys drive me nuts. I mean every time I have had a mac before
>>>>> now using so many keys for certain things have made me go crazy, but
>>>>> part of that is because I don't know all the little tricks around all
>>>>> of that. Logic and work is one of the reasons I have decided to get
>>>>> another Mac Book Pro. OH yeah and audio hijack sounds amazing, and I
>>>>> can't for get wanting to try out Xcode. I will just have to force
>>>>> myself to use the Macbook more than my windows pc for a couple weeks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/26/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I do use both.  I teach online, and I do prefer to do most of my
>>>>>> teaching
>>>>>> stuff on the PC.  However, to be fair, I’m not sure whether my feeling
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> that is easier is because it really is easier, or because it’s habit and
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have good muscle memory for it.  On the other hand, I prefer to do most
>>>>>> media related stuff on my Mac.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 6:27 AM, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I personally have not noticed any degradation of accessibility on the
>>>>>>> MacOS platforms.  I suspect that the old adage “Familiarity breeds
>>>>>>> contempt” may be at play here!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and
>>>>>>> MS-Windows with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> basis of comparison anyway?
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