hello; from my experience I generally use vo, which is control plus
option, with the arrow keys, space bar, and shift key. I use tab and
shift tab for some things. I use vo i and vo u a lot for the links
menu and items menu. and if you have the newer ones and are familiar
with using a mouse you can do a lot of things with the track pad
commander feature. good luck with your decision, max
On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Dave Taylor wrote:
Here is where I think one of the biggest issues is though. As a
prospective
Mac user, from the demos and manuals, there seem to be an awful lot of
different and often complex keystrokes to do things. I'm not clear
if one
needs all of them or if people doing the demos are making things more
complex than needed, or just not explaining why things are the way
they are.
In Windows we can work out which methods to try based on what kind
of task
we are doing. We know that you activate things with either enter or
space,
both single keystrokes. We know there are many ways to move around,
but we
know that we can find most things by exploring menus or tabbing.
Most times,
our screen readers know what we are most likely to want to do and
give us
the option of automating that task, often on a per application
basis. They
can also give us relatively simple keystrokes on a per application
basis to
do tasks specific to that application.
It comes across that with a Mac you have at least three different
way to
select things and that only one of them will work in a given
situation. It
comes across that you have to navigate relatively complex screens with
multi-finger keystrokes to do what you can often do with one single
keystroke in Windows, specific questions in a separate message, and
it comes
across that there are a lot of situations when a Windows screen
reader would
automate something that you have to tell VO to do.
Be assured, I raise these points not in opposition to converting,
I'm here
because I'm seriously thinking that when this computer goes, the
next one
will be a Mac, but for others thinking of converting, I hope the
answers
people give to these points will reassure them and hopefully be
reflected in
some sort of searchable tips and tricks kind of website. I very much
want to
know what's possible, not seem in opposition.
Cheers
Dave
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly thurman
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Read Mail Messages Automatically
Yeah, I fell into that trap early on with VO coming from Jaws. Now,
when I
pick up my windows laptop, I have to remind myself where the tab key
is and
not to grab the control and windows key with the arrows. It's very
disorienting some times. LOL!!!!!
On Jun 16, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
Hello Dave,
You can set VO to interact automatically when you tab to a field
where
this is appropriate, but tabbing isn't always the best way to
navigate with
VO. Many ex-JAWS users get themselves into a muddle by tabbing
everywhere.
As a very very long-term Mac user, the tab key is the last thing I
think
about for navigation.
Cheers,
Anne
On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Dave Taylor wrote:
Hi
Does tabbing around not make VO automatically interact?
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