Amen! Scott! I couldn't agree with you more. that comment was really not
fair to Apple. I can't say if they're really trying or not, but let's at
least give the benefit of a doubt that they are.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Howell" <scottn3...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: single letter navigation
Perhaps you have to consider the fact that others have asked for this. I do
not and never have used JAWS; however, I do see the advantage in having the
single-letter navigation. You do not have to use this feature. Apple would
not implement such things unless there was a really good reason. You have to
look at the story from the other end and consider what may be the reasons
behind certain features or how they are implemented. Now with that said, I
have no feelings either way since I see the value, but yet see how if used
it will require one extra step when entering text.
On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
Hi all.
When i read this post, i get the feeling we are getting forms mode back
again, and i who so wanted to avoid this. It seems, judging by Chriss's
description as if this quick nab/single letter navigation feature is quite
pointless. Why do i keep hearing a voice in my head saying: "Welcome to
Jawsover"?
/Krister
22 jul 2011 kl. 04:44 skrev Jenny Wood:
This is absolutely awesome! Thank you very much for the info!
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On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, here's what you do.
Firwstly and foremost, bring up Safari.
Now, there's a little gotcha to this. Let me see if I can explain this.
The problem you're gonna have is Under the voiceover utility, there is a
category called commanders. Now, you have a fourth tab under there
called quick nav. The problem is If you simply go under here and check
the box to enable quick nav, what this does is, it sets things so that
quick nav is by default enabled. This would mean it would be as if you
had hit the left/right arrows together and turned it on. Now that it's
enabled you can also vo+down in this screen and tell it to use single
letter navigation. Now this all looks great doesn't it. Well, there's a
little catch to this though that most people don't think about.
Maybe I'm just too thorough, but I caught this issue pretty well, right
away.
Here's the thing. If you enable quick nav through here. You're doing
it globally.
In other words, If you enable quick nav through here, that's gonna turn
it on regardless! where in lion you are. this can be incredibly!
annoying! There surely are some apps you don't want/need quick nav
enabled. Well, so fine, turn it off in those apps. Yeah, you say
that... then try going back to Safari, and watch. There goes your quick
nav in there, too. Now your letter nav doesn't work anymore.
So, what's the sollution? Simple!
What I've! done, personally, is I've opened up Safari, then made an
Activity and attached it to Safari individually. Then when setting it
up, I chose to keep other settings. It's a check box in there. Once I
checked that box under the activity category, I hit vo+right arrow, and
went over to quick nav and checked the box. Then I hit vo+space on the
set quick nav button. Now in here, I told it to use Quick nav, and
letter navigation. Then I attached the activity to safari.app. So,
now, what happens is, if I am not in Safari, quick nav isn't on. the
minute I either launch it, or command tab, or whatever into it,
magically, Quick nav now is enabled and my single letters work.
One more thing to know.
If you have quick nav on in Safari, then as soon as you reach a text
box, say like the google search box, or say, a place to enter on a form
your name, etc. If you have quick nav on but single letter off, this
problem won't exist, same goes if quick nav's off totally. but if quick
nav, *and!* single letter are on, as most people would probably want it
to be, then, what you're gonna have to do is, you're gonna have to, once
vo is focused on the text box, then, vo+shift+down arrow, and interact
with the text box. I know, normally, you don't interact with text
boxes, but trust me with this. If you don't do that first, then
voiceover is going to intercept everything you type as a quick nav
command. When done typing, stop interacting with vo+shift+up arrow,
then you're on your merry way, and can continue navigating as normal.
The final thing is, when quick nav and single letter both are on, if
you vo+space, or up+down arrow, either/or, on a popup menu in a web
site, be aware that first letter navigation won't work. For this, I
suggest once the box is opened and dropped down, hit left+right arrows
to turn off quick nav. Hit your first letter navigation or whatever,
pick your option with vo+space, then turn quick nav back on with
left+right arrows. Again, that's only if you obviously want! to use
first letter nav in a popup that may be really big.
Otherwise, don't worry about it.
Hope this helps.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "chad baker" <baker3...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:20 PM
Subject: single letter navigation
hi is there a way to do single letter navigation can't find it
thanks
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