Hi all,
Do Focus 40 Blue braille displays work with the MAC?
If they do as I think they do Could anyone tell me how to make My MBP detect 
the display when its plugged in the USB port? It won't detect the display 
either way ad I have tried everything I can think of.
Since I really need the display to work so I can edit my papers for school I 
would appreciate if anyone could help.

Second Is it possible to play ogg files on the mac and if so what version of 
the software would I need to get for an MBP with Lion on it?

Thanks ,



Becky

On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:41 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

>   Today's Topic Summary
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
> 
> Selecting in safari [11 Updates]
> THank you, Esther [1 Update]
> The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac computer. this 
> time it's about Sendspace. [2 Updates]
> Question about Conversation View in YoruFukurou [1 Update]
> update on searching mailbox for specific messages in lion [1 Update]
> ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store! [1 Update]
> Voice Over And Safari [2 Updates]
> Option-click [1 Update]
> accessing instant message while in a voice chat in skype [1 Update]
> Am I a Member of this group? [3 Updates]
> I can't download anything all of a sudden [1 Update]
>  Topic: Selecting in safari
> Matt Dierckens <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:06AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hey all.
> I have important information on a facebook message and I need to select 
> everything from it. For some reason however, this isn't seeming possible and 
> I'm frustrated about it. If anyone could give me a hand with this please let 
> me know. Thanks.
>  
> Matt
> Sent from my macbook pro
>  
> Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:24AM -0400 ^
>  
> The way I've found to do it is:
> 1. Interact with the text and move to the start of the desired selection.
> 2. Hit vo-enter.
> 3. Use normal commands to move from the start to the end of the selection.
> 4. Hit vo-enter again, then cmd-c to copy.
>  
> There's probably an easier way, but that is all I could find on Google
> when I tried selecting the other day.
>  
>  
> -- 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from GMail website)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>  
> Matt Dierckens <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:33AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hi Alex, I just tried, and VO didn't speak anything when I was selecting 
> things. Then I hit command C and it didn't work. Not sure why though.
> Thanks for the response.
>  
> Matt
> Sent from my macbook pro
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:24 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>  
>  
> Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:35AM -0400 ^
>  
> Did you interact with the text? I also got no speech and nothing
> selected, but it was because I hadn't interacted with what I wanted to
> copy.
>  
>  
> -- 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from GMail website)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>  
> Matt Dierckens <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:39AM -0400 ^
>  
> Yep, interacted with the text, it said selecting, then I selected what I 
> wanted to, and hit VO enter and hit command c and it dinged at me.
> Matt
> Sent from my macbook pro
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:35 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>  
>  
> Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:44AM -0400 ^
>  
> Once you interact, press vo-enter before selecting, then use normal
> navigation (not holding down shift) to move to the end and hit
> vo-enter again.
>  
>  
> -- 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from GMail website)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>  
> Matthew Campbell <wrestling.ch...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:49AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hey Matt.
> One thing that you might want to try is this.
> First, get VO to where the text is you want to copy
> Then, press VO shift C to copy the last phrase to the clipboard.
> Finally, go to text edit or where ever and paste
> Just keep doing that over and over until you have all that you want. It's 
> kind of annoying way to do it but...
> One thing to keep in mind is that when VO reads text in safari, it's reading 
> paragraph by paragraph.
> HTH.
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:33 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
>  
>  
> Matt Dierckens <matt.dierck...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:54AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hey, that worked. Thanks for that. Kind of sucks that you can't just do 
> select all and copy. Ah well.
>  
> Matt
> Sent from my macbook pro
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:49 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>  
>  
> Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:55AM -0400 ^
>  
> What about vo-shift-a? I seem to recall that copying the chunk of text
> last spoken, not just the phrase.
>  
>  
> -- 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from GMail website)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>  
> Matthew Campbell <wrestling.ch...@gmail.com> Oct 05 10:08AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hi.
> According to the keyboard help, VO shift A only slects it. However, I've 
> never tried it before.
>  
> On 2011-10-05, at 8:55 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>  
>  
> "Søren Jensen" <s...@coolfortheblind.dk> Oct 05 04:17PM +0200 ^
>  
> Hi.
>  
> You can do the following which might work:
> Use the latest version of webkit.
> 1: Find the text you wanna copy
> 2: press Vo command f5
> 3: press Vo command shift space to hold down the mouse button
> 4: Hold down shift and press the down arrow to select the text you want.
> 6: Press command c to copy
> 7. Press Vo command shift space again to release the mouse button.
> Hope that will work for you.
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>  
> Den 05/10/2011 kl. 16.08 skrev Matthew Campbell:
>  
>  
>  Topic: THank you, Esther
> Allison Manzino <gwennac...@gmail.com> Oct 05 09:48AM -0400 ^
>  
> Hi Esther,
>  
> Thank you for your helpful post about my query with Itunes. I really 
> appreciate all your help and instructions. It worked like a charm. Have a 
> great day.
>  
> Allison
>  
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>  
>  Topic: The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac computer. 
> this time it's about Sendspace.
> Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> Oct 05 07:55AM -0400 ^
>  
> Thanks for the cmd-shift-g command, that will really make a difference!
>  
>  
> -- 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from GMail website)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>  
> Garth Humphreys <ghu...@gmail.com> Oct 05 11:40PM +1000 ^
>  
> Hi David 
>  
> As another new user to the Mac I can certainly understand your frustration. 
> The Safari busy busy thing is seriously annoying. Stronger words would, of 
> course, be called for if we weren't in polite company :) 
>  
> As for Finder, at first I called it Loser as I couldn't use it to find a 
> thing. Now however after about 3 weeks it seems completely fine and I can be 
> just as efficient in it as on Win 7 / XP. I pretty much ignore the side bar. 
> It can be useful however the key board shortcuts seem quicker to me. As 
> someone else has said try using column view. Command+3 will get you into this 
> view. When in this view you can navigate through folders in a standard tree 
> structure. You need to make sure you have quick nab off. The up & down arrows 
> will take through the folders at a given level and the left and right arrows 
> can be used to collapse and expand folders. Combine this with some keyboard 
> shortcuts and all is good, at least in my opinion.
> Command+shift+C will take you to the top computer level where you can see the 
> various drives and network. 
> Command+shift+H will take you to your home folder, i.e., inside the users 
> folder. 
> Command+shift+A will take you to your Applications folder. 
> Command+Option+L will take you into your downloads folder. I'm not sure but 
> maybe this is supposed to be the exception that proves the rule :) 
> Command+shift+O will take you to your documents 
> Command+shift+D will go to your desktop.
>  
> There are of course others as well.
>  
> anyway I hope this helps a bit. You certainly aren't alone with your 
> frustrations. I am still glad I have windows at work where I need to get work 
> done. 
> So far I haven't found Safari on the Mac as good as it is on IOS, especially 
> on the iPad where I think it is fantastic. Then again I got my iPad 1 on the 
> day it was first released and I have only been using OSX for a few weeks.
>  
> Good luck 
> Garth
>  
> On 05/10/2011, at 6:32 AM, David Eagle wrote:
>  
>  
>  Topic: Question about Conversation View in YoruFukurou
> Robert Carter <nc5rn...@gmail.com> Oct 05 08:22AM -0500 ^
>  
> Hi Mark,
>  
> You can fix this problem by clicking the zoom button.
>  
> Robert Carter
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Marc Workman wrote:
>  
>  
>  Topic: update on searching mailbox for specific messages in lion
> Paul Erkens <paul.erk...@gmail.com> Oct 05 03:09PM +0200 ^
>  
> Hi Ioana,
>  
> I'm using Apple mail on Lion in the new look, classic view off. I tried the 
> suggestion, but when on the message table, without any interacting, it won't 
> work. Each key press of the search text sends a bang from the speakers. Could 
> it be that you are reading mail in classic view? 
>  
> Regarding the work around: I didn't know about that feature but if you are 
> looking for specific messages it's not too big a deal to temporarily turn on 
> classic view. Thanks for the idea. I'm hoping that outside classic view, 
> there's a solution as well. I tried moving the mouse over to the message 
> table, but that doesn't seem to make a difference either. I think I'll drop 
> accessibil...@apple.com a line about it. 
> Paul.
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 2:39 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>  
>  
>  Topic: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!
> Garth Humphreys <ghu...@gmail.com> Oct 05 10:39PM +1000 ^
>  
> Hi Kevin
>  
> Thanks for the instructions for deleting the extension prior to reinstalling 
> from the web store. It worked perfectly. Do I understand correctly that one 
> benefit of changing to the web store version is that the extension will auto 
> update in the same way that Chrome does?
>  
> Garth 
> 
> On 05/10/2011, at 12:06 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>  
>  
>  Topic: Voice Over And Safari
> Michael Dailey <mpd...@gmail.com> Oct 05 07:19AM -0400 ^
>  
> I am using Lion on an iMac.
>  
> How do I get Voice Over not to start reading everything on a page, and just 
> move along when I TAB?
>  
> The VO curser starts jumping all over the screen, and I can't figure out how 
> to get it back to where I want it.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Mike
>  
> David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com> Oct 05 01:31PM +0100 ^
>  
> I think lyon can amend this behaviour by going to the Voiceover Utility 
> settings navigating down to web and then pressing tab to get to 
> tab settings. Vo right until you ghet to page loading and then uncheck the 
> section which gets Voiceover to automatically read web pages. On 5 Oct 2011, 
> at 12:19, Michael Dailey wrote:
>  
>  
>  Topic: Option-click
> Paul Erkens <paul.erk...@gmail.com> Oct 05 02:28PM +0200 ^
>  
> Hi Austin and Christer,
> Option clicking and control clicking something, can indeed be done using the 
> trackpad, and it isn't a problem for voiceover users, although it is, with 
> some other screen readers. 
> 1. With the vo cursor, find the element that you want to option or control 
> click on.
> 2. Now, tell voiceover to get the mouse pointer over to this spot on the 
> screen, using command vo f5. vo is the same as control option. So, the 
> complete command to get the mouse pointer to where your voiceover cursor is, 
> is to hold down 3 keys, being option, control and command, and then pressing 
> f5.
> 3. Once the mouse is there, Perform the control, or the option click, as 
> follows. First hold down either option or control, depending on what you 
> need, and then press on the lower left corner of the trackpad to make the 
> click happen.
>  
> If a sighted user wants to click on something, they do it with the mouse 
> button. The left one, in windows. To do the same thing in voiceover, with the 
> voiceover cursor on an object, we can hit vo space to perform the normal 
> click. However, voiceover does not have a built-in command for an option 
> click or a control click. That is why we need to do the same thing as a 
> sighted user would, rather than having a dedicated voiceover command for it. 
> Bring the mouse pointer to the spot, hold control or option, and while 
> holding it, click the mouse, or the trackpad.
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:54 AM, Austin Seraphin wrote:
>  
>  
>  Topic: accessing instant message while in a voice chat in skype
> "Vítor Oliveira" <vitoroliveira2...@gmail.com> Oct 05 01:08PM +0100 ^
>  
> Hi: To do it more easily, press vo plus J. The first time you do it you jump 
> to sidebar tab, the second you will jump to html content. Just interact with 
> it and press vo plus end to go to the last line. To return to the editing 
> area, just press vo plus J again. Regards.
>  
> 
> Vítor Oliveira
> vitoroliveira2...@gmail.com
>  
>  
>  
> A 05/10/2011, às 11:24, Patrick Neazer escreveu:
>  
>  
>  Topic: Am I a Member of this group?
> Michael Dailey <mpd...@gmail.com> Oct 05 07:31AM -0400 ^
>  
> I went to the discussion page, and it said I could not post because I was not 
> a member.
>  
> I am getting email updates daily, I filled out the application. Am I suppose 
> to log in somewhere?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Mike Dailey
>  
> Paul Erkens <paul.erk...@gmail.com> Oct 05 01:54PM +0200 ^
>  
> Michael Dailey,
> Yes you seem to be a member. Your message got through to this list.
> Paul.
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Michael Dailey wrote:
>  
>  
> Mike Dailey <mpd...@gmail.com> Oct 05 04:59AM -0700 ^
>  
> Never mind, I was not signed into Google.
>  
>  
>  
>  Topic: I can't download anything all of a sudden
> David Eagle <onlineea...@googlemail.com> Oct 04 11:39PM +0100 ^
>  
> Thank a lot for that tip.
>  
>  
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