Hi Rachel,
I realized I hadn't restarted in a while, so thought I might do that and see if 
it works. How do you bring up the activity monitor? Does VO not read it? My MBP 
is only a few months old so can't imagine I used that much hard drive space. 
Probably just a lot of ram.

Becky
On Nov 30, 2011, at 12:22 PM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

>   Today's Topic Summary
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> 
> how to work with facebook? [2 Updates]
> where can I tips on general usage of safari bookmarks with vo [1 Update]
> Update to my monitor question [2 Updates]
> Looking for a monitor to connect to my mac mini [2 Updates]
> Little Mac Victories [2 Updates]
> Lastpass on the Mac [1 Update]
> where to start i I want to automate terminal commands [2 Updates]
> Burning Itunes purchases to CD? [2 Updates]
> Voice Over acting Odd [3 Updates]
> Clearing my question [1 Update]
> Google Chrome tutorial was off topic [1 Update]
> safari refuses to launch. [1 Update]
> Avout Voice Settings on Mac [1 Update]
> GarageBand Questions [4 Updates]
>  how to work with facebook?
> Paul Erkens <paul.erk...@gmail.com> Nov 30 05:19PM +0100  
> 
> Dear listers,
>  
> What is the best way for a voiceover mac or an iphone user to work with 
> facebook? I have a small app on my phone but its accessibility is not what 
> you would wish for, to say it carefully. I just don't get the hang of it with 
> all those unlabeled things that say image image button button button. The 
> normal facebook site is big. I don't find my around there easily. There's 
> also a mobile version, but is there an alternative? For example, another 
> facebook app, not from the facebook team, an app that is accessible to 
> voiceover? If we have to use either the regular or the mobile facebook site, 
> do you have any information on what to ignore?
>  
> Paul.
>  
> "Mr. L. Alexander" <turningbyto...@gmail.com> Nov 30 05:01PM  
> 
> the problem with facebook extends to many thousands of sites across the world 
> who do not properly code or object label their sites. each part of a site 
> contains graphical links, etc which in cases are not labeled or if ar then 
> left as numbers, making life EXTREMELY difficult for us all.
>  
> it's not a case of an app in most cases to make a website accessible, it's a 
> question of the developers listening to website accessibility requirements 
> and documentation which is widely available and in many cases, developers 
> comply with these rules and development requirements.
>  
> that's the sad fact of it. I've lost count of sites I've had to work with 
> where I've had to have sighted help even to get a bloomin phone number.
>  
> the other ridiculous issue is CAPTCHA. don't get me started on this 
> nightmare, then adding inaudible translations which are poorly recorded and 
> distorted. an absolute joke.
>  
> sorry. it's one of those days for Free Macs For The Blind where things aren't 
> looking too good.
>  
> lew
>  
>  
> On 30 Nov 2011, at 16:19, Paul Erkens wrote:
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> Mr. L. Alexander.
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>  
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>  
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>  
>  where can I tips on general usage of safari bookmarks with vo
> Paul Erkens <paul.erk...@gmail.com> Nov 30 05:08PM +0100  
> 
> Iona,
> I saved one of Esther's many useful posts on this topic. She answered Linda 
> Adams and me. Here's the post, below.
> Hi Paul,
>  
> Ricardo has given you the quick answer to using bookmarks. You can 
> read a more detailed description about general navigation of your 
> bookmarks in my archived post:
>  
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg21962.html
> (Re: moving and deleting bookmarks)
>  
> I'll just briefly remark here that there is a general page for your 
> bookmarks that you access with Command-Option-B, which is the shortcut 
> for the "Show All Bookmarks" entry in Safari's Bookmarks menu. You'll 
> greatly simplify your navigation of that page, and improve your 
> understanding of its organization if you first hide your toolbar, 
> bookmarks bar, and tab bar -- all options that toggle between show and 
> hide with shortcuts listed in the View Menu on the menu bar (Command- 
> Shift-Backslash, Command-Shift-B, Command-Shift-T). At that point, 
> after you interact with the scroll area, pressing tab will move you 
> between three areas: a table of different collections of bookmarks 
> such as your navigation history, your Bookmarks Bar, your Bookmarks 
> Menu, and any folders you may have created to organize your bookmarks 
> on this page; a search text field that you can also move to directly 
> with Command-F, and a table listing individual bookmarks in your 
> selected bookmark collection by bookmark name and address. The 
> general action will be to interact with the table of collections and 
> select a bookmark collection or folder and then to tab to the table 
> listing the individual bookmark entries and interact, then navigate to 
> the bookmark of interest and activate it by pressing space bar. You 
> can also reduce the list of entries to navigate through in that second 
> table by using the search field to type in Bookmark names or parts of 
> bookmark names, and then only matching entries will be shown in the 
> second table. The usual navigation options of typing the first few 
> letters in the name of a bookmark to move to it and/or using your up 
> and down arrow keys will work here. There are also context menu 
> options for editing bookmark name or address, copying or deleting, etc.
>  
> As Ricardo mentioned, the first nine bookmarks saved to the Bookmarks 
> Bar on your Bookmarks page have the special property that they can be 
> launched by pressing the Command key together with the number of the 
> bookmark. (You can hide your bookmarks bar and still activate the 
> first nine bookmarks by pressing Command and the number from 1 to 9 
> for the bookmark you want.) However, note that whenever you save a 
> new bookmark to the Bookmarks Bar, it becomes bookmark number 1, and 
> displaces the previous first bookmark, which is now number 2, etc.
>  
> HTH. Cheers,
>  
> Esther
>  
> On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>  
>  
>  Update to my monitor question
> matthew Dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> Nov 30 09:56AM -0500  
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I managed to connect my vga addapter. My question is this. How can I tell if 
> it is working. I don't have a monitor as of yet as I am still trying to find 
> one, but I was under the empression that it is supposed to make the machine 
> act as if a display is connected.Is there a way to find out if it is working? 
> Thanks.
>  
> Matthew
>  
> Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> Nov 30 10:22AM -0500  
> 
> Without a VGA monitor or the NTSC contraption attached your Mac will 
> endlesly scan for a non-existant monitor which will bog it down. Not 
> sure how to tell if the Mac thinks there is a display hooked up at the 
> moment but if you're getting a lot of voiceover busy messages that's 
> usually a symptom.
>  
> CB
>  
> On 11/30/11 9:56 AM, matthew Dyer wrote:
>  
>  Looking for a monitor to connect to my mac mini
> matthew Dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> Nov 30 10:06AM -0500  
> 
> Thanks. I only asked about t bird because yyou were using the mac version to 
> responde to my message. as for this box device you were refering to, can you 
> get this localy. If any how I could get this work it would be nice for now.
>  
> Matthew
>  
>  
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>  
>  
> Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> Nov 30 10:14AM -0500  
> 
> Dunno about finding the box locally. Might try the usual suspects like 
> Radio Shack or Best Buy. Best buy has one for $64 here:
>  
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/StarTech.com+-+VGA-to-TV+Video+Converter/Scaler/9682896.p?id=1218265849967&skuId=9682896&st=ntsc%20vga&cp=1&lp=1
>  
> Radio Shack as one for $85 here:
>  
> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2486440
>  
> Might be others around where you live.
>  
> CB
>  
> On 11/30/11 10:06 AM, matthew Dyer wrote:
>  
>  Little Mac Victories
> Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> Nov 29 08:17PM -0600  
> 
> We told you so! Nice job. Keep fighting the urge to use Windows.
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Traci wrote:
>  
>  
> Teresa Cochran <vegaspipistre...@gmail.com> Nov 30 07:13AM -0800  
> 
> Isn't that fun? :)
>  
> Teresa
>  
> "We are made of star-stuff"--Carl Sagan, Cosmos
>  
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>  
>  
>  Lastpass on the Mac
> Teresa Cochran <vegaspipistre...@gmail.com> Nov 30 07:10AM -0800  
> 
> Quite usable.
>  
> Teresa
>  
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
>  
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 1:09 PM, agent086b wrote:
>  
>  
>  where to start i I want to automate terminal commands
> Ioana Gandrabur <igandra...@gmail.com> Nov 29 08:52PM -0500  
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I would love to create a script or what ever that I can call up to perform a 
> series of terminal commands. I had a look at the automator and found a record 
> option to type in all the steps. I performed the actions but when I tried to 
> run the action got an error. I suspect that the key sequence goes to fast 
> since it is saying that terminal is not running when it was expected to.
> Any ideas how to do this or where to look for prewritten scripts I can modify?
> Is the script editor a better option than automator?
>  
> I have no formal scripting experience but have read and written jaws scripts 
> using their manual but really nothing fancy.
>  
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>  
> Ioana
>  
> Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> Nov 30 10:03AM -0500  
> 
> You could just do the script in the shell as well and skip automater. 
> Just put each command line by line in a text file and then modify the 
> text file to be executable with
>  
> chmod a+x
>  
> after that you can just run that text file and it will execute all the 
> commands inside as though you had typed them. I often use this for 
> repetitive tasks and just name the file "g" for "Go". One tricky bit is 
> the shell will look in certain places (directory paths) for files to run 
> and often times this is not your present directory. So unless I add the 
> present directory (usually denoted as a dot or period) to my path I have 
> to specify it when doing my "g" command:
>  
> ./g
>  
> If you want I can give you the commands to add . to your path and avoid 
> the ./ nonsense.
>  
> CB
>  
> On 11/29/11 8:52 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>  
>  Burning Itunes purchases to CD?
> Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> Nov 29 08:13PM -0600  
> 
> Hi:
> I don't think you need to backup your iTunes purchases anymore because you 
> can just redownload them.
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>  
>  
> Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> Nov 30 09:59AM -0500  
> 
> True, but there is still something about having it permanently on the 
> shelf. Not that Apple is going away any time soon but it certainly has 
> happened with other online music services. For a large library, 
> re-downloading can also take a while. Of course everybody now days has 
> local backups with Time Machine, right?
>  
> CB
>  
> On 11/29/11 9:13 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>  
>  Voice Over acting Odd
> Becky Knaub <becnc...@embarqmail.com> Nov 29 08:44PM -0500  
> 
> Hi all,
> VO is acting really odd on my MBP today. It has stopped talking all the 
> sudden three different times. I had to restart it and then it was fine. 
> Anyone got any suggestions? Also does anyone know why Safari often keeps 
> saying busy?
>  
> Becky and C
>  
> Rachel Magario <maga...@gmail.com> Nov 29 07:54PM -0600  
> 
> I can think of 3 things.
> 1. check if you running low in your hard drive space.
> If I get less than 50 Gb of hard drive my VO gets slow because I use loads of 
> applications running at once.
> 2. turn your activity monitor on and ask somebody to check who is taking the 
> most of your ram when vo gets quiet.
> 3. this must be really far off, but once I had so many attachments that when 
> I turned my mail on my vo got really slow. I had to clean like 20 gb of 
> attachments on my mail, but you are probably not data horder like me. But 
> just in case.
> HTH,
> Rachel
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
>  
>  
> Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> Nov 30 08:35AM -0600  
> 
> Hi y'all. 
> My computer was being a really naughty computer yesterday. I updated it late 
> yesterday afternoon, and I sure hope Apple has now fixed it. My speech froze; 
> I turned speech off and back on, but it wasn't always fine. Sometimes it 
> killed the speech altogether and kept running the braille display. I know 
> this is going to sound weird, but it seemed to me that it behaved better when 
> I changed voices from Alex to Samantha. I decided I'd rather put up with the 
> changes in pitch occasionally than have to restart all the time. I also 
> noticed that sometimes quitting TextEdit worked to restore things. 
>  
> Regards, 
> Gigi, who is hoping my Mbp behaves better today 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Becky Knaub wrote:
>  
>  
>  Clearing my question
> Francisco Salvador Crespo <crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com> Nov 29 11:37PM 
> -0300  
> 
> Hi,
>  
> My question is: what shortcut can i use to change voice attributes for 
> content, status or the default voice, can you understand me now?
>  
> Thanks a lot,
>  
> Francisco
>  
>  Google Chrome tutorial was off topic
> Barry Abbott <bpabbo...@gmail.com> Nov 29 10:24PM -0400  
> 
> Hello Hank. If you have Google Chrome installed and have added the Google 
> Chrome speech extension from the google web store.
>  
> Press the Google Chrome key (control+option)+h which puts you in chrome help. 
> One of the links there is the interactive tutorial.
>  
> Barry
>  
>  
> On 2011-11-27, at 1:16 PM, Hank Smith wrote:
>  
>  
>  safari refuses to launch.
> "Jessica" <stevies...@gmail.com> Nov 29 08:47PM -0800  
> 
> I've just recently tried to launch safari, only to have voiceover tell me 
> "open," like it normally does when I perform the "open," command, only it 
> just sits there and refuses to do anything. I've tried to launch other aps, 
> and they've opened perfectly fine, so don't understand what the problem is, 
> and have restarted the computer, and nothing has helped.
> Has anyone ever had this issue?
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>  
>  Avout Voice Settings on Mac
> Francisco Salvador Crespo <crespofranciscosalva...@gmail.com> Nov 29 09:57PM 
> -0300  
> 
> Dear friends,
>  
> Today i have a question for you:
> How to change the voice parameters that VO uses when it's reading a text? for 
> example, my first language is spanish, i want to change de language of the 
> speech. I press VO + command + the arrow keys and i get change it but only it 
> changes with the buttons and the commands but not in the reading
> How can i do that?
>  
> Thanks a lot and i with your answer
>  
>  GarageBand Questions
> Gavin Grundlingh <g.batw...@gmail.com> Nov 29 11:12PM +0200  
> 
> Hi Ricardo,
>  
> Thanks for the tip on extending loops. The reason I originally asked
> the question was because the song I'm trying to create consists of
> several different loops, one after the other. I'd like to then take
> tha multi-looped section and repeat the whole thing a certain number
> of times. I planned to put all the bass on 1 track, all the piano on 1
> track, all the drums on 1 track, and so on. Perhaps what I want to do
> would be better explained if I sent you the file. Is there a way I can
> get it to you?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Gavin
>  
>  
> Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> Nov 29 04:26PM -0500  
> 
> Hi,
>  
> What your trying to do is certainly doable. I do this in my projects all the 
> time. Do you have dropbox? This would probably be the easiest way to get me 
> your track.
>  
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
>  
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Gavin Grundlingh wrote:
>  
>  
> Gavin Grundlingh <g.batw...@gmail.com> Nov 29 11:33PM +0200  
> 
> Hi Ricardo,
>  
> Yes, I have dropbox. I'll upload the project to my public folder now.
> Where should I send the link to?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Gavin
>  
>  
> Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> Nov 29 04:42PM -0500  
> 
> Just send it to the e-mail address at the end of this message.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
>  
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