I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing or not. I didn't think the message area was a preview pane. I'm now using the standard or modern view; I find it easier than the classic view; frankly, I couldn't keep the message window from opening even in that view any way. Now with the newer format, I can arrow up and down the list of messages and then hit VO-J to jump to the message area and hit the same key again to get back to the list. If I were to eliminate that window, I probably wouldn't be able to open that message, would I?
As for collapsing and expanding threads, I have never had any issues; I just be sure quick nav is off and then use right arrow to open the thread and left to close. VO will announc how many new rows are added to the table when expanded. I also configured Mail not to mark all messages as read when expanding threads. that extra bit does help. I haven't had any actual crashes of Mail since I started using it. On 2/28/12, matthew Dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all. If I had a usb mouse would I still be able to disable the message > pain? Just wondered. > > Matthew > > > On Feb 28, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Whoever posted that having the preview pane open was what was causing the >> read status not to be spoken was absolutely correct. This explains why I >> didn't start seeing this till Saturday, I had had the preview pane turned >> off, and somehow managed to get it visible again. >> >> Anyway, follow Ricardo's instructions below to disable preview pane, and >> you will hear the read status spoken. One note: make sure you perform the >> mouse click from the track pad. If you try and do it from the keyboard it >> won't work. >> >> Glad we've got at least one mail issue solved. :) >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> lol, >>> >>> Its not that bad. There is a vertical splitter that separates the >>> messages column group which contains the messages table and the message >>> content area which is the preview pane. Just make sure your mouse cursor >>> is focused on this vertical splitter and double click with your trackpad >>> or mouse. If using a trackpad, make sure VO's trackpad commander is off. >>> >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:25 AM, "Goodin, Donna" <dgoo...@umich.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> Ricardo, >>>> >>>> Do you remember how to do this? I remember doing it when I first got my >>>> Mac, and it seemed to involve magical incantations, dancing in a circle >>>> around a bonfire under the full moon, etc. lol It took me forever to >>>> actually do it. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> you can just close the preview pain so you need to press enter on the >>>>> message to view it in a different window. This will then mark the >>>>> message as read. Are more accurately, unmark the message as unread. >>>>> >>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Steve Holmes <steve.holme...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I still find for the fastest and most efficient way to read my e-mail >>>>>> is to use mutt on my Linux box. That's hardly the right answer for a >>>>>> Mac users list though. When I am in Apple's Mail, the only complaint >>>>>> I have right now other than general GUI clunkiness, is the problem >>>>>> with VO not reading the read/unread status. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm quite sure I know why these statuses aren't being read by VO >>>>>> however. Every time you cursor down the list of messages, The >>>>>> adjacent window containing the selected message is opened, thus the >>>>>> status changes to 'read' and AFAIK, there is no symbol present for VO >>>>>> to speak once it is read. I forgot how to keep the message from being >>>>>> opened even in classic view so I went back to the newer presentation >>>>>> and if I really want to see the statuses, I just turn VO tracking off >>>>>> and then look down the list of messages with VO-arrow keys and this >>>>>> way, the messages don't get selected nor opened. All I need now would >>>>>> be a single hot key to bring the application cursor down to where the >>>>>> VO cursor is. We have a command to go the other way but not this way. >>>>>> >>>>>> I could be mistaken with some of these observations because I'm stil >>>>>> one of those "new guys." >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 07:39:07PM -0500, Goodin, Donna wrote: >>>>>>> It seems like the Mail bugs are a little inconsistent. I don't have >>>>>>> the issue Kawal mentions. And, I didn't have the problem with VO >>>>>>> not reading the read status, till Saturday, and I have no idea 1, why >>>>>>> I didn't have it before, and 2, why it started on Saturday. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Funny, I have not noticed this myself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello All. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if any one has noticed since the update of Lion, when >>>>>>>>> ever you open a mail, Voice Over is always reading the person's >>>>>>>>> e-mail address before the message. 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