HI all, I had a strange behavior with Esther's procedure. I placed mouse pointer on vertical splitter, turned mouse keys on and when pressing I key just heard a ding. It worked when I performed the FN +i on my keyboard to get the numpad 5 but only after turning vo off. What ever works as they say. I also tried it with quicknav on or off in case the quicknav keys were interfering with mouse keys but nope. I a not even going to go there to try to get why this is. IF others are so inlined have fun puzzling it out. Smile.
Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Buddy and Jon, > > This was interesting. I just re-enabled and disabled the Preview pane in the > new mail view for Lion by clicking on the vertical splitter, but I did it > with mouse keys. I was using Mouse pointer ignores VoiceOver Cursor for my > navigation tracking options under VoiceOver Utility, with the other 4 boxes > checked for cursors to track each other (keyboard focus, insertion point, and > VoiceOver cursor). > > In the new mail view mode in Lion, navigating horizontally (with VO-Right > arrow or just right arrow in Quick Nav mode) starting from the Mailbox list, > which I have set to be shown under the View options (toggle between show and > hide with Command-Shift-M), I hear VoiceOver announce: "Mailboxes", "Vertical > Splitter", "Message Column", "Vertical Splitter", then "Message Content" if > the preview pane is not hidden. > > Once I'm navigate past the "Message Column" to the vertical splitter, I can > move my mouse pointer to my VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5. Then I can > turn on mouse keys by pressing the option key 5 times (as I have this > configured under System Preferences > Universal Access > Mouse & Trackpad). > If I double tap the "i" key I can hide the preview pane. This moves the > vertical splitter to the far right, eliminating the "Message Content". I can > also reverse the instructions and navigate to the new position of the > vertical splitter, route my mouse cursor to my VoiceOver cursor again with > VO-Command-F5, and double tap the "i" key to show the preview pane again. I > do have to remember to turn mouse keys off again by pressing the option key 5 > times if I want to type with other letter keys. I haven't been able to use > VO-Shift-Space for clicking on the vertical splitter. I can do show or hide > the preview pane in the new mail view for Lion whether or not I'm in full > screen mode. When I switch between the new view and classic mail view the > preview pane is either present or gone consistently in both views. > > Buddy is correct that the it's the vertical splitter in the new mail view > that works analogous to the horizontal splitter in classic mail view to show > or hide the preview pane. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > >> OK, >> >> I have all cursors tracking. That is, keyboard focus follows Voiceover, VO >> cursor follows keyboard focus, insertion point follows VO, mouse pointer >> follows VO. >> >> Oh wait. I just did something dumb. Never mind. I should maybe actually do >> this with Lion. LOL >> -- >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >> >> >> >> On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jonc...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>> I just tried this and was unable to reproduce on my MacBook. Did you >>> interact did you simulate a single click as I implied from your message? >>> Please provide step by step including what your tracking settings in Voice >>> Over settings are... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> Jonathan C. Cohn >>> jonc...@cox.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> If you're in the new mail view, and not classic, it's the vertical >>>> splitter that hides the preview pane. And, indeed, you can double click >>>> with VO+shift+space to move it. I just did, both to open and to close the >>>> preview pane. >>>> >>>> I can't say how this works with classic view though, sorry. >>>> -- >>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Esther <mori...@mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>> >>>>> Double-clicking on the horizontal splitter with VO-Shift-Space (e.g., by >>>>> holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys while double tapping the >>>>> space bar) used to work in Leopard to hide the Preview pane. I think >>>>> this ability went away in Snow Leopard. There are definitely other >>>>> examples of instances where you need a "hardware" key click to work. I >>>>> think that you may be able to press the "5" key on the numeric keypad >>>>> with NumPad Commander to click, as well, but since I use a laptop I'd >>>>> have to attach a USB numeric keypad to try this. >>>>> >>>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Esther >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the >>>>>> preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse >>>>>> command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. >>>>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Anne, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to >>>>>>> make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and >>>>>>> a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys >>>>>>> instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the >>>>>>> VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 >>>>>>> times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the "i" key instead of >>>>>>> performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys >>>>>>> off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, >>>>>>> this requires having the box in the System Preferences > Universal >>>>>>> Access > Mouse & Trackpad tab checked for "Press the Option key five >>>>>>> times to turn Mouse Keys on or off". This will work whether or not >>>>>>> Trackpad Commander is turned off. Also, you can additionally check the >>>>>>> option for "Ignore built-in trackpad when Mouse Keys is on" if you >>>>>>> press (with VO-Space) the button for "Trackpad Options…" on the Mouse & >>>>>>> Trackpad tab of the Universal Access menu of System Preferences in Lion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is for cases where people have difficulty with clicking the mouse >>>>>>> or trackpad without moving the pointer, but it's useful in general to >>>>>>> know. It's most useful when using applications which are transitioning >>>>>>> in accessibility, where neither VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space will work to >>>>>>> click on controls, and you need to perform physical clicks. Turning >>>>>>> mouse keys on and clicking with the "i" key always works as an >>>>>>> alternative in these instances. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Esther >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Franc, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need >>>>>>>> to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the >>>>>>>> VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using >>>>>>>> either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer >>>>>>>> you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the >>>>>>>> double click, it won't work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me >>>>>>>>> how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old >>>>>>>>> directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
