Hi, No doubt your post has much good advice. But I think you should read the thread from the beginning before choosing sides in who was rude and why. Its hard enough to judge intent with just the written word without cheating yourself of reading the entire thread to get the context. etc.
JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 6, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: > Hi, > In defence of Jenny, let me say this, in many, not all but many cases at > least on the IPhone, there simply is no built in help or documentation for > the program one is working with, at least that's my experience. I have seen > a lot of cases, though i can't think of any at the moment where there's no > reference to any documentation whatsoever in the app. > At the risk of being flamed to bits, let me say that i have come late to this > thread so may not know the whole story here, but answering a plee for help in > an almost rude manner in my book is uncalled for. I left the Linux world > because of that attitude, and even though it didn't hit me directly i felt > sorry for the newbies that asked questions and got almost rude answers that > in short said "rtfm". Yes surely Google among other sources is your friend, > but if you don't even begin to know what you are going to search for, how can > you then begin searching? We have all been newbies in the beginning and have > had different difficulty levels and different ways of tackling a problem. One > bit of advice that i have followed and that has proven useful to me during my > explorations of the graphical interface is this: If you want to learn to know > your app, firstly take a look at its menus. There you will see what the app > can do for you and you also in the bargain get the hot keys for different > situations. > Ok i'm off my soap box now and putting on flame proof clothes just in case. > lol > > /Krister > > 5 maj 2012 kl. 22:28 skrev Ray Foret Jr: > >> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here. Jenny, My >> best advice to you is this. The best way to learn to use any app is to just >> jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two. >> How else you gonna learn anything about it? My best advice for seaking help >> is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when >> mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you. Honestly, it's >> not that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the >> time is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely >> the worst. I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in >> mind the points that Scot raises here. He does have some good points to >> make, and, I think that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment >> and give things a try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and >> how quickly. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> Facebook: >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >> >> >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote: >> >>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience >>> anyone with my question. >>> >>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn >>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more >>> frustrated and confused than I started out. >>> >>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this >>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers. >>> >>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and >>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient >>> for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast. >>> >>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents >>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant >>> question. >>> >>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable >>> answers to simple questions. >>> >>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up. >>> >>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my >>> simple question. >>> >>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to >>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will >>> certainly leave my inbox. >>> >>> Jenny >>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information >>>> and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a >>>> step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me >>>> that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly on your own >>>> and just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and >>>> encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already >>>> tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the >>>> podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app. >>>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just >>>> give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are >>>> being unfair to those who are providing you the resources. >>>> >>>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote: >>>> >>>>> I need to know what those lists like friends and family, and stuff are >>>>> for. >>>>> >>>>> I don't understand all that stuff, though I did learn how to delete a >>>>> reminder. >>>>> >>>>> I have a list of reminders and all of them are coming up though I thought >>>>> I had other reminders. I don't see any old ones though. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, Pod Casts give me too much information at one time and a lot of >>>>> it I already know, or don't understand in the first place cause it's too >>>>> advanced for me, or doesn't tell me what I need till my mind is so >>>>> overloaded that I can't absorb any more information. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, could someone just tell me in baby steps what all that is for and >>>>> if you have my number, just call if you want to. >>>>> >>>>> Jenny >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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