Esther,
Thanks for all of this helpful info.
It is really appreciated.
I will save this for future reference.
Stacey and GEB dog Chesley

On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Stacey,
> 
> I think it is possible for you to subscribe to the viphone list without 
> having Google account by having the list owner or moderator add you directly 
> to the subscription list. I'll dig up a recent post by Raul Gallego on this 
> subject and append it. However, I don't think that you have control over your 
> subscription that way -- if you want to stop receiving list mail probably 
> your only option is to unsubscribe, and then to try to start subscribing as 
> though you were a completely new user again, with the same waiting period if 
> there's a backlog on approving new user subscriptions. As Kawal explained, 
> when you create a Google account, you do not need to also create a gmail 
> account for mail.  Also, if you have multiple email accounts, you can choose 
> which of these accounts you want to be associated with receiving the list 
> email posts, or change your email address if your current one terminates, and 
> you can manage your subscriptions (no mail, digest format, etc.) from your 
> Google account.
> 
> Creating a Google account does require negotiating a Captcha, but you only 
> have to do it once.  There is an audio Captcha option on the web page, but I 
> find those pretty bad, too, although it was manageable.  I'll add that the 
> default page you are linked to if you choose to create an account from the  
> page where you are prompted to log in to the viphone list now makes it appear 
> as though you have to create a gmail account when you create your Google 
> account.  You don't need to do this, and you also don't need to supply your 
> phone or SMS number to activate your account, despite being encouraged to do 
> so for "security" purposes.
> 
> Here's the URL to use to create a new account without also creating a gmail 
> account:
> https://accounts.google.com/newaccount?hl=en
> 
> You need to supply your current email address and the password you wish to 
> create for your account, retyped to verify it.  And apparently you must now 
> supply your date of birth (so they can verify you are over 13).  That email 
> address is being used as your unique login for your Google account.  If you 
> need to change your email address for receiving mail at a later time, or add 
> another email account that you'd prefer to use for your subscription instead, 
> you'll also be able to manage this yourself within your Google account.  Make 
> sure to check the box for accepting the terms of service before you press the 
> "Create my account" button.
> 
> Once you've created your account, return to the viphone list page:
> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone
> 
> Use the link for "Apply for group membership" and sign in with your Google 
> account login (which is the non-gmail email address you used to create the 
> account) and password.  I'd add a note saying that you were previously a 
> member of the list, which they'll be able to verify.
> 
> At any later time you should be able to go to the "Manage My Membership" page 
> for your account at to change your subscription status or go "no mail" for a 
> while:
> http://groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en_US&pli=1
> 
> There are more detailed instructions that posted for Teresa about changing 
> membership options, and you can read the archived post if you ever need more 
> information:
> • Re: The New Google Groups Site and viewing/changing membership options?
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg64431.html
> 
> I'll paste in Raul's message if you want to try to subscribe via email only.  
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <r...@raulgallegos.com>
>> Subject: Important -- How to manage your subscription via email
>> Date: June 11, 2012 
>> To: ViPhone Users List <viph...@googlegroups.com>
>> Reply-To: viph...@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Hello all. You might want to save this for future reference. Since this 
>> topic has come up recently I thought I'd give information on getting help 
>> with this list when it comes to managing your subscription via email instead 
>> of the web site.
>> 
>> This is mainly aimed at those who don't have Google accounts and don't want 
>> to sign up with Google just to participate on the list. To get the help 
>> commands and email addresses for list subscription management, send an email 
>> to viphone+h...@googlegroups.com and you will get an auto-reply message. 
>> Note the Plus sign between viphone and help. The below is what you will get 
>> back.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We received your message asking for help related to the group viphone.
>> 
>> To send a message to this group by email, address the email to: 
>> viph...@googlegroups.com
>> To subscribe to this group by email, address the email to: 
>> viphone+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>> To unsubscribe from this group by email, address the email to: 
>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
>> To contact the group owner by email, address the email to: 
>> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
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