Ok, I think that if what you say, Dhacker, is correct, then maybe we should take screen-readers out of the equation entirely and concentrate on magnification software. I've never seen a discussion comparing various magnification apps on the PC versus the Mac. Thanks for the input. Most of the folks I know who've used Zoom on the Mac have never used anything else.
Teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:13 PM, dhacker <dhac...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think there's any reason to make that comparison, it's just not valid. > > Zoom on Mac works but it's not a sophisticated product. Voiceover works and > it IS a sophisticated product. > > Ai Squared sees an opportunity to better Zoom related features. Also, the way > Voiceover works may be fantastic (your mileage may vary) for blind users but > for users who simply need reading "support" it's clear that there is an > opportunity to build it. > > Put it this way, ZT Win does very well even though there is built in Zooming > on Windows and sophisticated (JAWS, Windows Eyes) screen readers on the > market as well as decent free ones (NVDA). > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:00:43 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: > Yes, that's my point. If zoom on mac compared to zoom on windows is > anything like vo compared to narrator, then, as you said, there's no > comparison. Can some low-vision users chime in here? Maybe us totals > are missing something? > > On 11/29/12, Teresa Cochran <vegaspip...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > > > There's a bit of confusion here. I may get myself in trouble here, but I > > will say this: the off-the-shelf accessibility on the Mac is notches more > > complex than the off-the-shelf accessibility in Windows. I haven't used > > Zoom > > for the Mac, and don't know if it has the same magnification features as > > ZoomText. Someone else can speak to that. However, if I were to choose > > between Narrator for Windows and Voiceover for the Mac, there just isn't a > > comparison, and I really wouldn't try. Voiceover winds hands-down. It's a > > fact that there are more accessibility features in the Mac screen-reader > > than for Narrator. Again, I can't speak to Zoom for Mac, so I don't know if > > the parallel for magnification is valid. > > > > Teresa > > > > > > Visualize whirled peas. > > > > On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Alex Hall <meh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I'm not a large print user at all, but it seems to me that saying > >> windows already has zoom is like saying Narrator is already a screen > >> reader. Does it read things on the screen? Sure, but comparing that to > >> Voiceover is ridiculous. I hope AI Squared does well with this, I just > >> don't know if it will happen. > >> > >> On 11/29/12, Doug Hacker <dha...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Mike, > >>> > >>> The same is true on the Windows platform but Ai Squared does a very good > >>> business there, no reason to think it would be any different on the Mac > >>> side. Visually impaired Mac users want the same thing as their Windows > >>> counterparts. > >>> > >>> - Better font smoothing > >>> - Better tracking > >>> - Cursor, pointer and focus enhancements > >>> - Color schemes > >>> - More efficient reading tools for VI users > >>> > >>> > >>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Should be interesting to see if that sells at all, the mac already > >>>> includes zoom for magnification and voice over for reading, these can > >>>> also > >>>> be used at the same time. If people buy it, great, but they're taking a > >>>> huge gamble. > >>>> Original message: > >>>>> Just to let everyone know, Ai Squared is close to releasing a version > >>>>> of > >>>>> ZoomText for the Mac. 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