On a side note, I read a recent article/review of the new iMacs, and the
reviewer felt strongly that the 27 inch model was by far the better deal.
And, yes, you'll now need an external CD drive (sold by Apple for around
$80) as they took them off the iMacs to make the thinner profile.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel
I don't recall if the iMacs still come with disk drives or not. If they
don't, you will have a few extra steps to get bootcamp working using a thumb
drive, or you can buy a USB disk drive and plug that in instead. I installed
Bootcamp from a thumb drive, but I had a lot of sighted help. It sounds like
you are leaning toward Fusion, though, and I have to say I think you'll be
happier with that in the long run. It will be frustrating at first, but once
you know its quirks, you should be okay.
On Jun 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Phil Halton" <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
zoey,
Bootcamp is set up by a program on the MAC called bootcamp assistant. That
program partitions the drive for you and starts the installation process
of Windows. That is, it partitions the drive then asks you to put the
windows disk in the CD drive, then reboots and begins the Windows
installation processIt also lets you download and burn the bootcamp
drivers onto a CD which you'll need after installing windows. These
bootcamp drivers let windows access the mac hardware etc. From the reboot
onward, you need sighted assistance to go through the windows install
screens, install the bootcamp drivers, and finally, get a screen reader
loaded into windows so you can take over from there. I had a semi-computer
literate friend sit here and read the screens to me as we installed
Windows - that's all - no need for high-priced tech assistance.
Or,
With fusion, you can just install windows into a VMWare Virtual machine
which is just a big file on the MAC file system - its not a separate
partition on the HD. As I understand it, installing windows into a virtual
machine in VMWare is accessible with VoiceOver.
Thirdly, from within VMWare Fusion, you can import a previously installed
bootcamp partition into fusion and run it like any other virtual machine,
or just run the bootcamp partition version of windows without even
importing it into fusion.
So, there's three different options
1) have a dual boot system, called bootcamping, that requires rebooting
to go from one OS to the other.
2) create a windows virtual machine in fusion which doesn't require
partitioning the HD, and can be done without sighted assistance. or,
3) Either run, or import and run an existing bootcamp partition from
fusion .
I'm not real sure about the difference between simply running a bootcamp
vs importing and running it from within Fusion, there's not much
difference I don't think.
----- Original Message ----- From: "zoe" <fiog...@rogers.com>
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Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel
Oh ok got it now. One more question that I thought of and please accept
my
appologies for asking what may seem stupid questions and for asking them
scattered, my mind is all over the place and I seem to be asking
questions
as they come. Am I to understand that with bootcamp the drive would be
partitioned but with fusion it would not? Apple said for the
partitioning
of the drive they would charge me two hundred and fifty dollars, if I
half
to pay it oh well, then I will, but have I gotten confused somewhere down
the line? I'm sure the drive is partitioned for bootcamp but fusion?
Thanks again and again I'm so sorry for my confusion.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel
No, Refit is free and something you will add once you get your machine.
Jaws
can only read the Windows logon/lock screens, not the boot screen. When a
computer first boots, no operating system has started yet, which is why
no
screen reader can possibly be loaded.
On Jun 16, 2013, at 4:21 PM, zoe <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
hmmmm refit manager is that something extra I half to by or can apple
add
it
on for me? Also since I'm going to be installing windows with jaws, and
jaws can be configured to the log screen would that do the trick?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel
Voiceover cannot speak on the boot screen since it is not loaded yet.
Apple
would have to add some form of speech into BIOS, which would be
difficult
to
impossible. You can do what I did, though: install the Refit Boot
Manager,
letting you press m for mac or w for windows when you boot the machine.
On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:20 AM, zoe <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
Oh thanks so much, good to know I won't have problems with jaws. As I
said
the man at the apple store actually suggested parallel but if fusion
does
the trick and most people seem to like it I guess maybe that's the way
to
go
especially if I'm going to be asking for advice on the use of the
program.
The man at the store thought parallel was a better choice but didn't
state
the reasons why. Don't mean to be repetative but can apple configure
voiceover for me when shipping the imac to me to start up
automatically?
Also if using fusion will voiceover speak on the log screen to help me
navigate weather I want to boot mac or windows?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Parsons"
<mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Fusion boot camp or parallel
Yes, you can install JAWS or any other screen reader on the Windows
part
of
your Mac. It doesn't matter whether it's running as a duel installation
(i.e. bootcamp) or as a virtual machine (e.g. VM Fusion).
I am curious if any of these people who keep saying parallels is
inaccessible have actually tried using it lately, or whether they are
just
passing along old hearsay that might now be obselete. I think Alex at
least
mentioned that he hadn't used it lately and things might have changed.
I
was
told fairly recently that Parallels was accessible with JAWS, but that
there
was some problem with the JAWS key which is typically the insert key by
default. I've never tried installing Windows on my Mac in any form
though
so
I don't know. I'm just worried though that this might be one of those
accessibility rumours that gets propogated longer than it should
because
of
course no one tests the thing anymore because they are told it's not
accessible.
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