> ----- Original message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Proposal] - Developers should get karma based on the relevance of their software > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:00:50 +0100 > > > ----- Original message ----- > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Quim Gil <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > � � � � � � � � Mmm... are we repeating here the > > brainstorming that has been > > � � � � � � � � running at > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � > > http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/developers_should_get_karma_based_on_the_relevance_of_their_software/ > > � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � & http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31519? > > � � � � � � � � > > > > well my intention was not repeat the original discussion, if you read my > > mail you will noticed that those links are referred there, and I also > > summarized the original discussion� and highlighted the proposal with > > more consensus in order to reach a decision. > > > > Why I used this channel ? Well a lot of people with valuable opinions > > are here, as well the ones that will implement the solution, and I know > > some of them don't have enough energy to follow 10000 TMO posts :). > > Your initial intention is very good, but after few replies we are in > the point where the memory has vanished and we are repeating the > discussions already made. > > Henri made a summary of possibilities when we have one in the > Brainstorm. Then Jaffa answers one point about Ohloh when in the > Brainstorm the Ohloh option is explained in more detail. And so on. > > If the proposal starts in Brainstorm with a Talk thread then > everybody has a chance to vote and subscribe to the thread if they > are really interested. A link here to those URLs should be enough if > the discussion has been going on already. > > Sometimes we have linked from a Talk thread to a discussion to > maemo-developers or to a bug report, so it's not about discussing > only in Talk.
It's obvious either our decision-making process is poorly defined and/or not being followed. Indecision over Brainstorm and other items is an ongoing problem that may have been okay in a newer community but IMO we are at a point to move past it. The way I see it the decisive process needs to be hierarchal, from the bottom up: -Any member submits proposal (solution) -Rank and file + council + developers + Nokia employees/contractors discuss and vote -Council harvests input and narrows options -If council can reduce to obvious attainable solution(s), all are escalated to actionable party (Nokia, Reggie, council members, et al) for implementation -If council cannot reach a concrete decision, solution(s) escalated to actionable party or parties for ultimate decision (in most cases probably Nokia) Does that sound like what we should be following? IMO we need to find a way past this decision-making impasse... Randall (Randy) Arnold maemo.org community council http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/ > > > > If the community wants *everything* at TMO, I'm fine with it. > > > > Best regards, > > > > -- > > Valério Valério > > > > http://www.valeriovalerio.org > > > > > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � ext Andrew Flegg wrote: > > � � � � � � � � > Henri wrote: > > � � � � � � � � >> However, there are other factors we > > should look at: > > � � � � � � � � >> > > � � � � � � � � >> * Maemo Extras upload activity (how many > > builds, how far > > � � � � � � � � those > > � � � � � � � � >> builds went, what votes they got) > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � > Disagree. The past performance of the > > build shouldn't have any > > � � � � � � � � affect > > � � � � � � � � > on an application's karma. However, see > > below on thoughts > > � � � � � � � � about > > � � � � � � � � > -testing. > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � >> * Download numbers of applications as a > > factor used next to > > � � � � � � � � ratings > > � � � � � � � � >> > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � > Absolutely. However, like tmo posts this > > should probably be > > � � � � � � � � > sqrt($downloads). > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � >> * Ohloh kudos would give a wider > > "appreciation rating" in the > > � � � � � � � � free > > � � � � � � � � >> software world (http://www.ohloh.net/about/kudos) > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � > I think Ohloh is of little value to the > > small projects we've > > � � � � � � � � had in > > � � � � � � � � > Maemo to date. > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � >> * Maemo Extras testing activity (voting, > > comments) > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � > Yup, although we're trying to encourage a > > "testsquad" who'll > > � � � � � � � � test > > � � � � � � � � > everything so I don't know how we'd > > square that circle. > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � > One interesting thought: should a package > > *lose* karma if it > > � � � � � � � � gets a > > � � � � � � � � > high number of votes UP and then ISN'T > > promoted to Extras? > > � � � � � � � � > Effectively penalising a package for > > wasting testers' time? > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � >> * Maybe we could also dig up commits on Garage > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � > I thought developers already got karma > > for Garage activity > > � � � � � � � � (being on > > � � � � � � � � > a project AND commiting to projects). > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � > Cheers, > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � > Andrew > > � � � � � � � � > > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � -- > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � Quim Gil > > � � � � � � � � open source advocate > > � � � � � � � � Maemo Devices @ Nokia > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � > > � � � � � � � � _______________________________________________ > > � � � � � � � � maemo-community mailing list > > � � � � � � � � [email protected] > > � � � � � � � � > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community > > � � � � � � � � > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > maemo-community mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community > -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Mail: Being used by users in 178 countries http://mail.ovi.com
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