(Sorry for mobile top posting)

When Nokia was contributing to MeeGo we did our best contributing to the new 
community to be consolidated around it. Even after #feb11 we decided that in 
terms of.branding and intent it was better to keep things as initially planned 
in order to avoid additional damage to meego.com


Now meego.com has no promoter. If N9 users and developers want to call 
maemo.org home because it is useful and fun them, why not. As you say other 
attempts are struggling.


--

Quim


On 4/4/12 10:35 AM ext Felipe Crochik wrote:

Hi Tim,

No, maemo is dead. Period. Something might arise from the ashes. A
community might evolve in order to absorbs the repos and keep the
software and some development available. But, this can never happen if
maemo is not allowed to die gracefully. Having the community and the
idea strung along by 50 passionate community members is not my idea of a
vibrant (or fun) open source community.

With all respect,
Tim

I don't disagree... In fact, it has been my sentiment for quite a long time, 
maybe starting with the meego announcement.

What it may have changed for me is that even with all the efforts to NOT 
include Harmattan on maemo.org<http://maemo.org> it feels to me that the users 
have decided that maemo.org<http://maemo.org> is the right place anyway. I was 
surprised to find out a bunch of "announcements" for harmattan applications on 
tmo and discussions around harmattan - more or like what I used to see around 
the n900. I haven't announced any of my harmattan applications there because 
"the last" I heard was that "we" didn't want harmattan on 
maemo.org<http://maemo.org>.

For me the question is if maemo.org<http://maemo.org> ends with the n900 or if 
maemo.org<http://maemo.org> is really "nokia linux devices", right now 
basically IF it includes or not Harmattan.

Since Nokia/Meego fallout I hoped Nokia would promote Harmattan as maemo and 
not meego but it didn't happen.

Like you, I don't think nostalgia is enough. I wouldn't loose sleep to say that 
maemo.org<http://maemo.org> is dead if it is not meaningful or if there is a 
"better place" out there but... I have seem enough noise around harmattan that 
could justify its existence IF we can invite it over with open arms.

The fact that we have many attempts of creating "n9 web sites" tells me that we 
have a "need". Honestly, me and my n9/n950 feel homeless ... 
meego.com<http://meego.com> just doesn't feel right... 
developer.nokia.com<http://developer.nokia.com> feels too much like "just 
nokians"... qt is the closest but it is not for everybody (just developers).... 
Maemo.org was (is?) the place where you would talk to developers and with 
people that didn't have a clue about how to develop software but "knew" about 
community, design or whatever - just  interesting people that you would like to 
talk to with something in common !

On the applications front is no better... Soon we will need a catalog of 
software catalogs... Extras with all its defects was the place that you would 
go to find software for the n900. Ovi store was a distant second that would 
host the non-open-source projects because they weren't welcome on Extras.

Felipe





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