What? You were banned because you said your opinion about candidation? Don't we have the freedom of speech?
I'm not into the whole situation, saying "don't vote for me" is not a clean way out. If you don't wanna be the chairman: just say: normal councillor. And if there are problems with law: create temporary "government", do a little changes and do the main election. I understand ivgalvez's good will, and appreciate it. But I think that if there's a council crisis currently, there'll be a bigger crisis in the next election. And "don't vote for me" is only a temporary workaround. But, tbh, this is becoming like the Polish parliament. Everybody is yelling at the other one and throwing shit on the other people :P Anyway, I don't have enough information to judge. If someone has different info than Estel provided, I'd like to look at it. Reggie hasn't provided concrete posts, so I don't really know why it's been so. -- Marcin 2012/11/12 [email protected] <[email protected]> > ** > > On pon 12 lis 2012 16:20:25 CET, Ilya Skriblovsky < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Just want to add some fresh opinion to this horrible flame. It's "fresh" > > because I don't really know the background: I don't know why Estel was > > banned and why it is so opposite to the Council. > > (Though I'm subscribed to this list, I'm rare reading it further subject > > line because starting with Community Awards discussion in June, 95% of > > mails here are full of flame and lacking of any constructive). > > > > But this situation seems very ugly to me. Screenshot with blurred IP > > addresses is certainly not an evidence at all. If screenshot was with > > exact IP match as Mohammad said, then I miss the point for blurring > > other IPs. If all blurred IPs are the same and same with Estel's, please > > publish original screenshot. If they differ — please remove the ban, > > admit your mistake and stop this shame. > > > > (By the way, even if all IPs are the same, it is not 100% evidence of > > identity of these accounts since if mentioned Polish network provides > > variable IP addresses, it's not a wonder if several IPs will > accidentally > > match somewhen. Deep login history research is the only way to be 100% > > sure.) > > > > Yours, > > Mitrandir > > Thank you for fresh, clear, and sane opinion. I also think, that we all > need to take deep breath, state basic principles, and reconstruct what > happened. So, point 1, about basic principles: > > > On pon 12 lis 2012 16:27:11 CET, Ilya Skriblovsky < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > And of course saying that "attitude and wording" of email with > > complaining to ban can justify this ban in any way — This is certainly > > immoral and shows the lack of will to solve the incident. Answer to the > > facts first and after cause will be clear, then say all you want about > > wording. > > > > Presumption of innocence is the holy thing, really. > > > > Yours, > > Mitrandir > > I think it's clear to any civilized person, and no one will try to > disagree with you, here. Hurting innocents, for "higher case", then > justifying it afterwards, is lack of civil responsibility, one of worst > examples. It should be fought with fire in both small things (like here), > and big ones - the latter seed from the former, and finally, result in > great catastrophes. > > Thus... > > On pon 12 lis 2012 16:39:29 CET, Andre Klapper <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Thanks for a fresh opinion, but I have become unwilling as it's simply > > enough at some point. > > Lots of previous talk, simply check the mailing list archives. > > > > andre > > -- > > Andre Klapper | Bugmaster > > http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ > > ...doesn't sound like good excuse. > > On pon 12 lis 2012 17:16:14 CET, Marcin Mielniczuk <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Just wondering, as I couldn't be up to date lately: why has been Estel > > banned? (a link or so is enough) > > -- > > Marcin > > I have been banned due to, exactly, this post: > http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1287822&postcount=48 > > Yes, seriously. For our unbeliveably fair and neutral moderator, chemist, > it was enough for ban. What is more spicy, this exact same case was > reviewed earlier, by moderator sjgadsby, and he just warned every > participant (including me), to not continue. His recommendations were > followed to the single line - yet, after 4-5 days, chemist decided, that he > need to show his presence and how important he is, issuing ban. Of course, > he haven't punished anyone else arguing there - I said, that his neutrality > is legendar, didn't I? > > While it was clearly unfair, I have *never* mentioned it in public. I have > created account to contact administrators about mentioned doubts, and I > have denied (in polite message) Woody's lie (done on purpose) about my > disappearing being my attempt to scam people, that pre-ordered replacement > bodies for N900. This sole reaction - in defense of collaborative project - > was cause of extending ban to 6 December 2012. > > On pon 12 lis 2012 18:19:26 CET, chemist <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey Folks, > > > > It was me who banned JCDenton and aquamarine aswell > > Great job, *chemist*! You have banned someone out of blue sky > (aquamarine) and we would never know about it, if your madness wouldn't > result in banning JCDenton! Let's light a candle for aquamarine, as - > whoever she/he was - it's probably lost to Community, with all her/his > potential. > > Furthermore, you seem to be quite proud of banning innocent people for > "higher cause", just because it *seemed* to you, that they may be me? > > Maybe you have banned someone else "for me", too? C'mon, share your great > deeds with us. > > > I did not follow the IP after that till someone pointed at JCDenton > > considering to be Estel, checked the IP again and voila another account > > shows... seems Estel did use a not working fake mail account and was > > forced to open another. JCDenton got a "One-Touch-Ban and Clean" click > > which is only possible with accounts not posted much and newly created > > (to ban Spambots). > > bullshit - Letsee was new account, yet, single post from there was left in > place. You have banned JCDenton using post removal, due to plain laziness. > > Not to mention, that your "theory" proved to be wrong, as it was assumed > on sole NAT IP of provider, which is very risky way of banning people, and > every beginning admin/moderator know that. > > Now, Mr. Failman, instead of excusing JCDenton, you're again proud of > yourself! > > > For the screenshot Reggie made available: I think he missed to blur the > > top. He has a strict policy when it comes to securing or sharing privat > > data. I can assure you that 'yes' it was a search for a single IP and > > they matched Estel JCDenton Letsee and aquamarine while in the picture > > JCDenton has no more posts as I deleted them so no match for posts. > > Nice story. Still no idea, how you can share with us such lack of > responsibility, skills, and just plain brainless actions, without burning > from shame. > > So, basically, *you just confirmed your guilt,* without any reegrets? > > > > Estel, I sent a warning out to you at least twice. There are rules and > > if you are not up to playing by them you may leave or get banned. Your > > choice. > > Frankly - I see it as personal offense, when you suggest I might be > breaking your pathetic "rules" to take part in so corrupted, decomposed, > and pathetic forum as TMO. It was wrong from the start, and now, it become > decomposing swamp, plagued by brainless, egomaniac mods, that didn't care > for hurting innocent people, if it boost own ego enough. > > After what you have done, by banning *at least two innocent people*(maybe > more, who knows), just because you "though" they may be me, you're > not only complete ZERO as a moderator. You're zero as member of community, > too. Be gone, in all shame possible. > > /Estel > > > _______________________________________________ > maemo-community mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community > >
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