---- Johan Helsingius <j...@julf.com> wrote: 
>One that, as you yourself point out, can easily be fixed at no cost. All I am 
>saying is that it *should* be fixed.

If I'm reading some of the replies here correctly, it looks like they have done 
some of this in PR1.1.1, so this may be the last time we have this issue?  
Personally, I think it's better to turn off devel and testing before doing an 
update in any case.  One good example for why is that the main package is 
really just a big dependency list of other packages to pull.  If beta versions 
exists in devel and you update with that repository on, it may pull a beta 
package over a stable one, since it's version is "newer".  Not to mention 
namespace conflicts.

I don't think most people having this issue are having it because they have 
repositories just enabled though.  It's usually because they've installed a 
bunch of things from the repositories that are devel-level and eat lots of 
space on the rootfs.  I've only "optified" my themes directory by hand, and 
pulled the optified python package.  Between that and turning off the 
repositories for the update I had well over 70M free on the root, and I have 
plenty of devel/testing software installed. (fMMS, Haze, games, Stelarium, 
pidgin, Joikuspot, several widgits...)

Yes, there at lots of things I think Maemo can fix to help this, and I think 
they are doing it rather quickly (4 releases in 4 months is an aggressive 
release cycle).  Just looking at what the community has done to help others 
update and implementing those changes would be a great start.  Moving themes, 
icons, apt caches, and the like off to /opt space and linking them over could 
be a simple update bundled with the rest of the stuff.  But that's not going to 
fix the world if people keep blindly installing devel apps and not knowing or 
caring if they're optified yet.

We need to get these ideas to Maemo to fix them, but we also have to push to 
educate average users who aren't paying attention to the exiting warning signs. 
 Just complaining that you have to enter commands to move things around isn't 
helping.  Promoting ideas of what to change, how to better warn/educate users, 
pushing solutions in the brainstorm area, and the like are much more productive 
means to that end that complaining about it every month in a user e-mail forum.

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