04.06.2012 22:08, Olav Vitters skrev: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:49:52PM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote: >> 04.06.2012 20:32, Olav Vitters skrev: >>> On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >> >>> >>> - Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at >>> gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and >>> must not do, it is better to not respond. >> >> Neither can gnome.org dictate what distros do, only suggest. > > I'm very well aware, which is why I don't use must. It is a very long > process, not going to change any time soon. Again, this started out with
Yep, but if we dont start the process, nothing happends either :) > me saying "I prefer"... a minor note about my thoughts. Don't think that > any of my messages as something I don't intend e.g. as if they are > instructions on what Mageia should so. > Nope, I didn't take it that way... I just pointed out that the distro <-> DE symbiosis need to be considered from both POV. >>> - I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards >> >> Yes, standards is good as long as they actully are followed, >> wich is not always the case, but this is getting better... >> >>> - Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any >>> need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg >>> should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It >>> is long term and difficult. >> >> Well, the power and usability of DE agnostic control center is _way_ >> better than what the DE integrated ones can offer for systemwide settings. > > Power I fully agree with. > >> Think of giving support: Instead of having first having to ask for what >> DE, and then have to to tell the user the DE-specific way of changing >> it, support can simply say open mcc, do this, then that, then... >> and you are done. > > Depends on who is giving the support. > So true. >> But yes, integration between tools, and getting more stuff to >> work automatically is WIP, not something that changes over night. > > Indeed. > >> Not to mention pretty much every review out there lists mcc as one >> of the strong points, so it's also clear that endusers want it... > > To be clear: I think MCC is great. But I also use Fedora sometimes. And > sometimes Ubuntu. I highly prefer Mageia. I find it sad that something > like MCC is distro specific. Other distributions have tools with their > own advantages. I prefer if such tools are shared across distributions, > just like most software is available between distributions. Possibly > with some slight patches (like a lot of software), but that's it. > Yep, wich is why stuff like packagekit is in the works, slowly progressing... > Practically, probably not going to change any time soon, but I hope it > does.. nothing more. > Same here, -- Thomas