Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 05:24:22, Olav Dahlum a écrit : > > On 21/09/10 20:46, Jostein Hauge wrote: > > Tysdag 21. september 2010 19.30.31 skreiv nicolas vigier: > >> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote: > >>>> I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the > >>>> company) would be a voice among others. > >>> Well... > >>> > >>> >From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from > >>> > >>> the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here): > >>> 1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither > >>> > >>> investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from > >>> the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken, > >>> from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices - > >>> and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly > >>> and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I > >>> don't see this over there at this time. > >>> > >>> 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's > >>> > >>> blog post is empty to me). > >> I completly agree with this. > >> > >> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management > >> anymore, I've lost any trust in them. > >> > >> Nicolas > > > > Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad > > feelings you might have about the Mandriva company. > > > > If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this > > should > > be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us > > would > > love a solution like Fedora-Redhat. > > > > The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it > > make > > to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration > > between > > Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate. > > > > When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you > > could > > indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration > > possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more > > like > > a vendetta than a constructive initiative. > > > > Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :) > > > > - Jostein Hauge (jess) > > _______________________________________________ > > Mageia-discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss > > Well, I will second to put aside certain differences for the benefit of > the community and create a stable environment in which we can work. > I see absolutely no problem with Mageia or Mandriva coexisting, and in > the process share as much infrastructure as possible to avoid doing it > all over again. > If we keep as much as we can of the infrastructure on community hands, I > think this is feasible to achieve and it will secure the feedback loop > into Mandriva we've missed from e.g PCLinuxOS. Also, a pure community > based distribution is a great idea, as we're not always having the same > goals as Mandriva S.A. Both would benefit from an arrangement like this. > The community (Mageia) could serve the regular users, taking care of > more personal needs and release a distro fitting these. And Mandriva > could concentrate on becoming a direct competitor to Canonical and > Redhat (possibly Novell or partners if they can work out the financial > situation) and gain real foothold in the enterprise/SMB market. One of > the prerequisites for this happen is of course that we acknowledge each > others existence and collaborate. Meaning, we will all aid in the common > development of Cooker, but be a completely independent entity from the > company, making our own (community) decisions. But will still keep the > good relations between us intact. So let's say Mandriva S.A funds (on of > the donators, etc) the foundation which creates Mageia and thus securing > their own interests through keeping the community alive, compensated for > their contributions (which is very important to remember!). We'll leave > if the situation is unsatisfactory (remember, we're highly independent > people) and if a FLOSS project lacks the community it's doomed, so > keeping us happy is the key to success. All this current pickering > between former employees and current ones is just stupid and will damage > both. So I say, let's call for a truce and work together in advocating > FLOSS software. >
I second that. Most agree that Mageia's destiny must now be in the hands of the community, and not depend on a company. Yes, but if said company is ready to act as a member of the community (like any of us but with maybe more means), and contribute to the project + do whatever it wants from the free distribution (corporate desktop, MDS, OEM products or anything else), then it's a win-win. And I pray again the former Edge-IT employees to avoid simply saying "I don't want to have anything to do with Mandriva", but rather the more nuanced "I don't want Mageia to depend on Mandriva" ! Naïve point of view of mine ? Regards Samuel Verschelde _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
