On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 22:17, Hoyt Duff <[email protected]> wrote: > I can see your point, but I feel that it's an elitist and > counter-productive approach to take. If the Mageia community wants > true community participation, they should structure things to > encourage rather than discourage participation..
Definitely, yes. We're learning. Here we expected more on spontaneous participation to structure itself around what we provided, but it may have been not enough*. Opinions obviously diverge here, great. Let's admit that we don't perceive this the same way. It's not a matter of being elitist or not, it's a matter of perception and the balance is somewhere around this. So let's find a better ground from that. * looking back, I think that's somehow what did not work as well in the MDV Assembly MUGs thing. > And again I ask, If the guidelines were so bloody important, why were > non-compliant submissions even considered? Flexibility for some proposals, in the hope authors would notice the update here (see below) and act upon it spontaneously. Reading your POV, it failed. But some did react as we expected. > And if they were important, > then the extra work was necessary. And really, how hard is it to send > the same email to a bunch of people? As said before about this, we expected those very people to be subscribed to this list; which was obviously a bit too naive guess. Or not. Again, that's a perception thing. I guess we still did good: we did get to something great to start with; before that, some people did follow quite strictly our guidelines, posted updates; some posted many, many proposals; discussions happened, on subjective and objective grounds; and, we did arrive to something. We still can do reasonably better next time for similar thing. Now, how would we improve the process? - have some submission tool that better catalogs proposals/authors and helps notifying for sure all of them? (and assist for centralized comments, etc.); we don't have it, had no time to build this to manage something that already started, so we used what was quickly available and good enough (Flickr, mailing-list, direct comments, tag-based lists, epoll); until now, it's still kind of a one-time need; - manually do the above? (we could, had we perceived it better or had we more time to devote to this too); - something else? - realize that, in the end, it's both how you do it according to basic needed steps, and how you react to context. Thanks for your ideas. Cheers, Romain
