On 13/07/2012 08:42, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
All this leaves me wondering open-mouthed. Wondering how people yould
manage their daily lives when they don't want to use a clear negative
answer to a question where "yes" and "no" would cause different
consequences.

Marjy, if I'd ask you "Would it be ok when I come visiting next week?"
I need a valid answer because if you say "yes" I will buy a ticket and
hop on the train next monday. And I'd be very surprised if I will
knock on your door and you are not there because you said "yes" just
out of being polite.


No fear. You're welcome, the guest room is free and the owner of this house agrees. However, I might be gone for up to 30 hrs next week, because I might have to accompany an elderly relative to hospital. You won't feel lost then, there are a lot of nice people living in this area ;)

I still don't think it is rude to reply "no" where
"no" is the correct answer. Actually I find it quite rude to give the
other the impression of being ready to do something while I have not
the slightest intention to really do it.

What I was trying to get across, is that learning that saying "no" is not evil, can take very many years. If you are raised in such a culture, it means you are programmed that way. You can't reboot yourself and boot into the "it is OK to say "no"" mode.

It took me very many years (it was a gradual process) to really learn it.

I don't see how someone else could achieve this in a split second.

It can even be worse, I know of a Chinese woman (a very bright one, besides that: she has studied in the West and speaks English very well) who works in the IT and who went to great lengths to do something her mentor told her to do (that is what she thought, in spite of all the time she had spent in the West and in spite of all the time she had already been working for a Western company) what he never asked of her (in his western mind).

But I'll put that in another thread, that is another cultural difference

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