Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >On the other hand, the ad hoc DB integration ideas I've seen discussed >to date all have a very strong "works for me" flavor to them. Ie, "if >you want something generalizable, then MM people will have to do >that, but here's a proof of concept." > > Kevin> despite the fact that people have been begging for it for > Kevin> half a decade. They beg for it on the Mailman list. They > Kevin> beg for it on the Sympa list. > >Beg, build, or buy. Plan A has failed. Try Plan B or Plan C. > >
I guess I have to watch the words I choose. Erase the word "beg", cease any mental imagery it might be conjuring up. I simply mean that there is a clear requirement for easier integration and people have expressed that need. That's all. Should it be articulated better than it has been so far on this list? Yes, probably. >My suggestion is Plan B, because Plan C probably requires a fork (as >you mention, Barry is committed elsewhere). If I needed what you >need, instead of posting the call for discussion _here_, I would post >on *Mailman-Users*: > > (1) summarize the current facilities (like MemberAdapter, however > weak they may be), > > (2) find out what John Dennis has been up to and what ad hoc patches > have been submitted, and summarize their interfaces (not the > implementations!), > > (3) find out what the objections to the methods described in (1) and > (2) are, both from would-be users and from the leading developers, > and summarize them. > > Rather than look at what has been done in the way of patches I'd be more inclined to contribute toward a design for MM3. I have actually worked on the specs for a SQL-enabled MLM system, based on user and admin requirements. Picture an open source version of Lyris but with better integration capabilities. I'd be happy to share them. I worked on it in 2002, so it might take a bit of digging. >And if in fact you're right, the MM developers don't care, and snub >you ... you've lost nothing! You've got the spec you need to attract >both developers and backing (including funding)---and the MM2.1 code >base to start from. > > Absolutely right. It would be nice to see developments happen in the MM project, but ultimately another project may be required to make certain things happen. - Kevin _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
