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On Jun 19, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Terri Oda wrote:
A few days ago, a discussion of Mailman's web UI started on mailman-
users: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg49681.html
Since this is more of a development effort than a users issue, we're
moving continued discussion here.
Thanks for doing so Terri!
I'll kick off the thread by answering a question:
But how easy is it to actually improve the web UI?
Not very. Not only is it tightly integrated, but any text change
will have to go through all the many translators for various
languages. And then there's accessibility concerns, issues
regarding any extra install requirements we might want to add (eg
for templating systems), and the basic problem of building an
interface that appeals to a rather large array of people... Changing
the web UI is a big pain.
That said, I think this is a worthwhile endeavour, and we had
previous discussed an improved web UI being a good goal for a 2.2
release (we'll also need new UI for mm3, of course). Just don't
expect it to happen tomorrow or be a cakewalk. This is not a
project to take on lightly.
All great points.
A couple of comments. First, we're /somehow/ going to ease the
translator problem. This won't eliminate the problem, but I hope by
bring up a Pootle server or adopting a FLOSS translation service we'll
make it easier to get our interfaces translated.
Second, architecturally I really want to split the u/i so that it's
not so tightly integrated. Maki and Andrew are working on a
privileged REST api to Mailman for controlling it in 2.2 and 3.0. It
is against this REST api that we should write the u/i, and it's my
hope that we can design this API to be quite similar between the two
branches.
I've started up a wiki page here for us to capture ideas for an
improved web UI:
http://wiki.list.org/x/RoBE
and being the self-interested person that I am, I'm going to try to
generate some thoughts on my own idea here first ;)
I think we could benefit a fair bit from having a "simple" and an
"expert" interface for the list administrators. I had a number of
replies both on and off list saying "yes! please!" so I take it I'm
not the only one who thinks this is a good idea.
Here's my +1 :)
- -Barry
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