On 12/06/11 11:17, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
It depends on your expectations.  If there's an expectation that the author's 
signature will/should/must persist through a mailing list, then I agree that 
they're largely incompatible.  If on the other hand you intend for lists to 
re-sign mail and for receivers to evaluate the message based on the list 
signature rather than the author signature, then it's entirely workable.  Of 
course, sometimes the author signature will indeed survive, and then you have 
two domains to evaluate instead of one.  Bonus!

There were a lot of "it depends" in your email, so maybe I've mis-read, but it sounds to me like the long-term path of least user/list admin hassle for Mailman probably is to just re-sign the messages. Except that there's no standard for third parties doing re-signing, and no one's sure how to interpret it if we do?

As a developer, this sounds the makings of one of those life-sucking projects you shouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole unless you're getting paid to define and defend a standard. There's no guarantee that anything we choose to do will ever be considered correct, and it could wind up being a lot of arguing and wasted effort at a time when I think we're better off just getting mailman 3 out the door.

Which is a pity, because this seems like a great opportunity for us to trailblaze and help correct a mistaken assumption in DKIM. Maybe the other developers are a lot more excited about that than I am and willing to take the risk of implementation, but maybe we should just keep an eye on the expansion of DKIM and revisit this issue after Mailman 3 is released?

It sounds like our best option for the near future is to write up a nice little document describing the issue, Monica's fix for lists where DKIM is essential, and leave it at that as far as code goes until things move a bit closer to consensus on how DKIM should handle mailing lists long-term. As a bonus, a nice little document could also be usable with 2.1! If anyone needs wiki author permissions to do this, let me know.

 Terri
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