Thanks, I think I understand now. 

I had a look in htmlformat.py and searched for *.png and found where the images were 
being defined for the footer. Edited the definition and found it updated all footers. 
Great!

I had a look in listinfo.py and found where MailmanLogo was being called... 
Doc.AddItem(MailmanLogo). Simply commented this out and it works, the footer was 
removed from the listinfo page.

I am guessing I could create a new definition in htmlformat.py for the standard Becta 
footer and call it from listinfo.py?

Thanks,
Timothy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 July 2003 11:42
To: Timothy Arnold
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates


At 08:59 02/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
>Hi Richard,
>
>I have edited most of the template files in template/en (for our 
>English
>mailing lists). They all work fine. I have even edited the header.html & >footer.html 
>for ht://Dig (btw, is there any way to configure the mailman >integration to change 
>the mailinglist.conf file to point header & footer >to the lists search directory 
>instead of $COMMON?)

You have a couple of options:

1. The per-list htdig.conf template is $prefix/templates/en/htdig_conf.txt. The same 
acquisition inheritance applies for it as for the other MM 2.1.2 template files.

2. You can define a value for the MM config variable HTDIG_EXTRAS in 
$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. See $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py to notes on the variable.

Using either of these two approaches you can assign values Htdig 
configuration file variables such as search_results_header and 
search_results_footer in the per-list htdig.conf template. See 
http://htdig.org/attrs.html or http://htdig.org/confindex.html for more info.

If you wanted per-list and per-virtual-host header.html and footer.html 
then you would probably want to use Option 1 above. Option 2 is equivalent to the site 
templates and is, with MM 2.1.x, no longer strictly necessary. It was introduced when 
the htdig integration patch was initiall developed for use with MM 2.0.x (templates 
embedded in the source code then) and I have left it in place for compatibility with 
sites updating from MM 2.0.x

>The only pages left to edit are the listinfo page for the 'lists of
>lists', the subscriber options page, and the admin interface. I cannot 
>figure out what template files these are generated by. I looked in 
>listinfo.py and could not find any reference to html code at all!

These pages represent a different problem as they are created dynamically by the 
various MM CGI scripts. These scripts create instances of HTML'ish objects. Having 
assembled these object to create an object representation of the page, a recursive 
call to Format() functions on each of the classes is used to generate the HTML version 
of the page. There is thus a 
reasonable separation between content and rendering.

The good news is that this HTML generation is concentrated in the class 
definitions in the file $prefix/Mailman/htmlformat.py

The bad news is you have to read and modify some Python if you want to 
change things.

But attacking htmlformat.py will give you leverage over the HTML output 
being generated using this approach by the following MM CGI scripts: 
admin.py, admindb.py, confirm.py, create.py, edithtml.py, listinfo.py, 
options.py, private.py, rmlist.py, roster.py, subscribe.py

Take a look at the Python source in htmlformat.py. It is really quite man readable. I 
do not know how much programming experience you have but if it is limited then 
"Learning Python" by Lutz and Ascher (pub O'Reilly) covers more than enough ground for 
making the changes you need to htmlformat.py; your examples show you have the HTML end 
of things hacked. Once you have adapted to using indentation instead of braces for 
block structure you will 
find Python is a very clean syntax to use. Also, the ability to run python interpreter 
interactively can really speed development work up.

If you want any support on this get back to me off list.

>An example: http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/mailman works 
>fine,
>all nice and branded but if you go to 
>http://lists.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo, it is not branded. How do I 
>make the lists of lists look like every other part of the site?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Timothy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Barrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 01 July 2003 19:01
>To: Timothy Arnold
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
>
>
>At 18:27 01/07/2003, Timothy Arnold wrote:
> >That's what I thought... Anyone recommend a good python book? >:)
> >
> >I presume this is the same for the subscriber options? I am trying to 
> >make as much of the mailman interface that the end user (subscriber) 
> >sees
> Becta >branded as possible.
>
>If you are using MM 2.1.2 then you will find a much of the html has 
>been abstracted to the $prefix/templates directory language 
>subdirectories and their brethren.
>
>Although pages are being generated by MM scripts these now tend to
>populate template files rather than generate HTML from scratch.
>
>You can set up/change these templates by language as follows (from the 
>comments in $prefix/Mailman/Utils.py):
>
><quote>
>      # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
>      # that are searched, in this order:
>      #
>      # 1. the list-specific language directory
>      #    lists/<listname>/<language>
>      #
>      # 2. the domain-specific language directory
>      #    templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
>      #
>      # 3. the site-wide language directory
>      #    templates/site/<language>
>      #
>      # 4. the global default language directory
>      #    templates/<language>
>      #
>      # The first match found stops the search.  In this way, you can
> specialize
>      # templates at the desired level, or, if you use only the default
>      # templates, you don't need to change anything.  You should never modify
>      # files in the templates/<language> subdirectory, since Mailman will
>      # overwrite these when you upgrade.  That's what the templates/site
>      # language directories are for.
></quote>
>
>Take a look at these template files and evaluate the template search 
>hierarchy before concluding that hacking the Python code is the only 
>way forward.
>
> >Thanks,
> >Timothy
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: 01 July 2003 16:56
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
> >
> >
> >       That is what I get for answering a question when I should not 
> >yet  be awake.  I belive that page is generated by a cgi script
> >(mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo), which is going to make editing a real problem.
> >
> >At 09:37 AM 7/1/2003, you wrote:
> > >That edits the listinfo for the list, not the list of lists...
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Timothy.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Paul H Byerly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Sent: 01 July 2003 15:07
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Templates
> > >
> > >
> > >"Timothy Arnold" wrote:
> > > >The problem I am having at the moment is trying to figure out how 
> > > >to edit the main listinfo page 
> > > >mailman.becta.org.uk/mailman/listinfo and the
> > > end >user subscription page. We would like to make the site as 
> > > branded as
> > > >possible (except for admin interface). Does anyone know how to 
> > > >achieve this?
> > >
> > >       From the admin page click "Edit public HTML pages on the 
> > > right side a little above the Logout link.
> > >
> > >
> > ><>< Paul
> >
> ><>< Paul
> >
> >
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