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---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:51:42 -0400 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 64 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." >________________ >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: How to show name in the subscriber list mailman 2.1.2 ? > (Rob Brandt) > 2. Re: Pine file (Brad Knowles) > 3. Re: How to show name in the subscriber list mailman 2.1.2 ? > (John DeCarlo) > 4. Why won't Mailman send mail? (Mark Haney) > 5. Re: Why won't Mailman send mail? (Todd) > 6. Re: More madness (Todd) > 7. Re: How to show name in the subscriber list mailman 2.1.2 ? > (Richard Barrett) > 8. mass subscription (Rob Eckerson) > 9. How do I implement Mailman (Anne Campbell) >________________ >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:21:01 +0100 >From: Rob Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to show name in the subscriber list mailman 2.1.2 ? >To: John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Yes, I'm sure I misunderstood since I may not have gotten the original question >that you answered. > >I was hoping for a subscriber's list function including names that could be >browsed from the listinfo page. I've never really understood why it's not >there in the first place; I've never seen the usefulness of showing a >subscriber's list on listinfo containing only email addresses. > >Rob > > >Quoting John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Rob, >> >> Did you try "./list_members -a <listname>"? >> >> This is just another command line script, used by humans or their >> scripts, but which is not used by Mailman AFAIK. >> >> I have to admit I don't know exactly what you mean by "gone to one of my >> mailing lists". It sounds like maybe you want to change the web >> interface or something else? >> >> Rob Brandt wrote: >> >> > John; >> > >> > This interests me too; thanks for this. >> > >> > But how do you make it work? I've copied your file into the /bin directory >> and >> > renamed it as "list_members", then gone to one of my mailing lists to view >> the >> > member list, but it still only lists the member's email address. >> > >> > I suspect that I have to modify another script somewhere, but where? >> > >> > Rob >> >> -- >> >> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own >> >> >> >> > > > >________________ >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:34:42 +0200 >From: Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Pine file >To: Juan Nicolas Bernal Yhama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >At 5:30 PM -0500 2003/07/21, Juan Nicolas Bernal Yhama wrote: > >> I installed the mailman for a big server in my university. > > Great! Glad to hear it! > >> the mail server of de university has 1800 accounts. >> I want to install an imap server with squirrelmail because this have >> others features and it is posible access with pine. >> My users use webmail and pine simulteneously. >> Is posible convert the INBOX, SENT and TRASH directories to standart mail >> format !?? or to use pine for access the mailman server !? > > Unfortunately, what mail server you use for the University is not >really relevant to mailman. As a mailing list manager, mailman >should be useable with virtually any standards-compliant mail server, >and any standards-compliant MUA. > > The particular IMAP server you install should not be relevant, >because the only interface between mailman and the outside world is >through the web (mostly user interaction), or through the SMTP >protocol (mail servers talking to each other). Mailman does not know >anything about the IMAP protocol. > > > I would suggest doing more research on IMAP, and finding an >IMAP-related mailing list or newsgroup on which to ask these >questions. > > Myself, I found WU-IMAP (Washington University) to be >easy-to-install, and supported a wide variety of mailbox formats, >etc.... However, WU-IMAP does not scale well, and 1800 users may be >too much for it. In that case, you may want to consider Courier (a >complete mail server package, including an IMAP server) or >Courier-IMAP (just the IMAP server part), or perhaps Cyrus. > > Courier and Courier-IMAP are definitely more difficult to install >than WU-IMAP, but they do scale better. However, they do not scale >as well as Cyrus (all major commercial IMAP server packages I know of >are based on Cyrus), although Cyrus is even more difficult to install. > > For your site, you may need to choose between >Courier/Courier-IMAP and Cyrus, depending on your particular needs. >I'd suggest starting big (with Cyrus), and if it turns out to be too >difficult for you, step back and try Courier or Courier-IMAP instead. > > You could use WU-IMAP for a small prototype server, but I fear >that it would not handle 1800 users. Trust me -- you don't want to >be in a situation where you've chosen a particular package, gotten >half way into moving all the users over to it, only to find it can't >scale with you and you need to re-do the entire project with a >different package. Been there, done that, still have the singed >hairs to prove it. > >-- >Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. > >GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(- --) W+++(--) N+ >!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) >tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r-- -(+++)* z(+++) > >________________ >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:02:12 -0400 >From: John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to show name in the subscriber list mailman 2.1.2 ? >To: Rob Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Rob, > >I can't help you with the web interface. The cgi-bin programs are not >plain text Python. Presumably they are compiled code, binaries. > >Perhaps you could go to the sourceforge Mailman site and submit this as >an enhancement request. > >Another alternative is to fiddle with the email "who" command - a script >I posted earlier. Then by email you can get subscriber's full names. > >Rob Brandt wrote: > >> Yes, I'm sure I misunderstood since I may not have gotten the original question >> that you answered. >> >> I was hoping for a subscriber's list function including names that could be >> browsed from the listinfo page. I've never really understood why it's not >> there in the first place; I've never seen the usefulness of showing a >> subscriber's list on listinfo containing only email addresses. >> > >-- > >John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > > > >________________ >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:07:57 -0400 >From: "Mark Haney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why won't Mailman send mail? >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Okay, I followed the FAQ on why mailman won't send email to users. The >big thing I noticed is that in /etc/passwd, the mailman account has a >default shell of /bin/false, is that supposed to be? Also, there's no >home folder for the mailman user, so I can't check on the cron jobs. >Should I assume that, with no cron jobs running, no mail is going out? > >Aside from that here's a copy of /var/mail/maillog concerning my recent >attempt to send an email to the list, is this any help with figuring out >why I can't get list mail sent? > >Jul 22 11:13:31 pcweb sendmail[30892]: h6MFDUrW030892: >from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=822, class=0, nrcpts=1, >msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, proto=ESMTP, >daemon=MTA, relay=bay9-f62.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.47.62] >Jul 22 11:13:32 pcweb sendmail[30893]: h6MFDUrW030892: >to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post weather", >ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:01, >xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31032, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent >Jul 22 11:13:34 pcweb sendmail[30895]: h6MFDYrW030895: >from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=1863, class=-30, >nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, proto=ESMTP, >daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] > >-------------------------------------------- >Jesus is coming - look busy! > >Mark Haney >Polk County Schools IT Staff/Technical Guru >http://www.polk.k12.nc.us > >________________ >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:46:31 -0400 >From: Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Why won't Mailman send mail? >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Mark Haney wrote: >> Okay, I followed the FAQ on why mailman won't send email to users. The >> big thing I noticed is that in /etc/passwd, the mailman account has a >> default shell of /bin/false, is that supposed to be? > >I don't *think* that'll break anything, but then, I'm not using the redhat >rpm and my mailman users doesn't have /bin/false as a shell. > >> Also, there's no home folder for the mailman user, so I can't check on the >> cron jobs. Should I assume that, with no cron jobs running, no mail is >> going out? > >2.1.2 doesn't use the cron jobs for sending mail AFAIK, so even if they >weren't setup right, that should affect mail delivery. It would break some >other stuff though so you want to check that they are setup. You can do >that like so (from an account with sufficient privileges, like root): > > crontab -u mailman -l > >> Aside from that here's a copy of /var/mail/maillog concerning my recent >> attempt to send an email to the list, is this any help with figuring out >> why I can't get list mail sent? >> >> Jul 22 11:13:31 pcweb sendmail[30892]: h6MFDUrW030892: >> from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=822, class=0, nrcpts=1, >> msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, proto=ESMTP, >> daemon=MTA, relay=bay9-f62.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.47.62] >> Jul 22 11:13:32 pcweb sendmail[30893]: h6MFDUrW030892: >> to="|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post weather", >> ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (8/0), delay=00:00:01, >> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31032, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent >> Jul 22 11:13:34 pcweb sendmail[30895]: h6MFDYrW030895: >> from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=1863, class=-30, >> nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, proto=ESMTP, >> daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] > >That says the mail got passed to mailman OK. You might want to look at the >mailman logs to see what errors might have prevented it from going out to >the list. I think redhat puts them in /var/log/mailman . > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >============================================================= =============== >Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for anything, but you still >can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE/HXh3uv+09NZUB1oRAqGvAJ4sUcvwwDpuZ1+LI3RpuLocN6iheQCgm MDf >YMkWp+DbcwCXcs15NWJ4KCg= >=PhBU >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________ >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:56:34 -0400 >From: Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] More madness >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Mark Haney wrote: >> I caved. > >D'oh! Good luck with it. :) > >> Jason Buscema gave me the answer to the problem with the RPM >> version of mailman. I re-installed it and added the 2 lines to make >> mailman know what user/group to use. > >Hehe, nothing like having to fix the simple 'do all the setup for you' rpm >version. > >> Everything is peachy keen. > >Well, except for the below, right? > >> I have 2 problems. First, in the auto-respond message I get when >> subscribing as a new user, the confirmation URL is still pointing to >> http://porky.redhat....., etc. In the email itself, the reply-to address >> is correct. What's the fix to that? I have the DEFAULT_URL_HOST setup in >> mm_cfg.py. > >After you add the DEFAULT_URL_HOST and DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST (and the >add_virtualhost call below them), you need to restart the mailman service to >make it take effect. And you'll also need to use the fix_url script to >correct any lists you created before you made this change, they will still >have the bad defaults. If you only have test lists, it might be just as >easy to delete them and recreate them if you're unsure of how to use the >fix_url script. > >> Second, I receive the subscription emails and confirmation emails >> correctly. But when I post a new message to the list, I don't get the >> actual posted message sent back to me. It's obvious mailman/sendmail is >> setup (mostly) correctly, but where's the new message going? > >Look at the logs in /var/logs/mailman for clues (I think that's where redhat >moves them to). > >> Remember, I'm a newbie to mailman, so be gentle. Thanks. > >So far, every issue you have is caused by the bad redhat 9 rpm. I hope you >don't hold this against mailman. It is really nice software. It's just a >shame that the packager of the redhat 9 rpm was on crack when he put the rpm >together and unleashed it on the unsuspecting masses. ;-) > >- -- >Todd OpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp >============================================================= =============== >The average American family head will be forced to do twenty years' labor to >pay taxes in his or her lifetime. > -- James Bovard, Lost Rights > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. > >iD8DBQE/HXrRuv+09NZUB1oRAmJCAKD3+kSzzno6t1EuQNOU94wbFc2GBwCff LHw >RZaIQdiCN2nJZX/aVMsPzB8= >=rGnL >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >________________ >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:48:35 +0100 >From: Richard Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to show name in the subscriber list mailman 2.1.2 ? >To: John DeCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: Rob Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 06:02 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: > >> Rob, >> >> I can't help you with the web interface. The cgi-bin programs are not >> plain text Python. Presumably they are compiled code, binaries. >> > >Not quite correct. The actual work of MM CGI programs is done by >regular Python scripts located in $prefix/Mailman/Cgi > >These Python scripts are actually run by compiled C security wrappers >launched by the web server but the Python scripts do the work. Only if >you want to introduce an additional CGI program do you need to worry >about the security wrappers. > >> Perhaps you could go to the sourceforge Mailman site and submit this >> as an enhancement request. >> >> Another alternative is to fiddle with the email "who" command - a >> script I posted earlier. Then by email you can get subscriber's full >> names. >> >> Rob Brandt wrote: >> >>> Yes, I'm sure I misunderstood since I may not have gotten the >>> original question >>> that you answered. >>> I was hoping for a subscriber's list function including names that >>> could be >>> browsed from the listinfo page. I've never really understood why >>> it's not >>> there in the first place; I've never seen the usefulness of showing a >>> subscriber's list on listinfo containing only email addresses. >> >> -- >> >> John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own > > >________________ >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:03:34 -0400 >From: "Rob Eckerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I want to mass subscribe people that I have on another list. I want to just send them an email with a link to subscribe( cutting out the confirmation email). These people have already opted in to receive email from me. >Also, I noticed that when you mass subscribe a password is assigned. Can I make a static password, rather than having to run the change password script. >Any help would be appreciated.From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 22 17:16:19 2003 >Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) > by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 19f4Uc- 0001u3-00 > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:16:18 -0400 >Received: from www.ewilts.org (web.ewilts.org [24.118.116.107]) > by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP > id <2003072221154601500qslt6e>; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:15:46 +0000 >Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > by www.ewilts.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h6MLFjW11632; > Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:15:45 -0500 >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:15:45 -0500 >From: Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Rob Eckerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at > 05:03:34PM -0400 >Organization: (ewilts) >X-URL: http://www.ewilts.org/ >X-Spam-Status: OK (lists-mailman 0.000) >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman- users.python.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>, > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subjectsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman- users> >List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subjectlp> >List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>, > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subjectbscribe> > >On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 05:03:34PM -0400, Rob Eckerson wrote: >> I want to mass subscribe people that I have on another list. I want to >> just send them an email with a link to subscribe( cutting out the >> confirmation email). These people have already opted in to receive >> email from me. > >Since you've already got the list, simply do the following: >bin/list_members listname >listname.members >bin/add_members -r listname.members newlist > >You've got the option on the add_members to have the welcome message go >out or not. The members could easily unbsubscribe based on the welcome >message. > >-- >Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >________________ >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:53:00 -0400 >From: Anne Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I implement Mailman >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >We want to implement Mailman but we know nothing. > >What do we need to do to put Mailman into production? > >Can you point me in the right direction on all the steps necessary to use >this great tool? > >Does GNU have a GUI? > >HELP!!!!! > > >Anne Campbell >IT Manager >Swets Blackwell, Inc. >160 Ninth Avenue >Runnemede, NJ 08078 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >856-312-2150 (Direct) >856-312-2013 (Fax) > > > >________________ >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- users%40python.org/ Arthur Bob Karnuah, Ph.D. Center for Applied Genetics Technologies Plant Genome Mapping Laboratory AGTEC Building, Rm 235 111 Riverbend Road, Athens GA 30602 Tel: 706-583-0169 Fax: 706-583-8120 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org