At 5:30 PM -0800 2004-11-14, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 I am on Mailman 2.1.4 and I see the same thing with Hotmail, but note
 that the "unrecognized" bounces that you show and that I see as well
 are delayed delivery warnings. If and when the actual undeliverable
 bounce arrives, it is recognized and treated as a bounce.

True, but IMO these should be handled correctly by Mailman. It should either ignore all delayed delivery warnings in all known formats, or it should treat them as a particular case of a bounce.


 The more interesting issue to me is what is screwed up with Hotmail.
 This only happens with a few Hotmail users, but it happens reliably
 with them.

I'll have to go back and check, but now that you mention it, I do seem to recall that there were a large number of messages which always referred to the same recipients.


             Also when the actual undeliverable bounce arrives, the
 reason is one Hotmail server is unable to connect to another Hotmail
 server.

Now that is something I hadn't noticed. Thanks for the info!

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