-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brad,
> I've been specializing in Internet e-mail for over a decade, I was > the comp.mail.sendmail FAQ maintainer for years, I was heavily > involved in the postfix community from back when it was still being > called VMailer, and I have yet to run into any MTAs that can do this. My bad. I failed to check the archives: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-February/ 049346.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-July/045672.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-February/ 034534.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-July/029947.html ...for your resume first, and was suggesting a solution I thought was both useful, and more...correct. I did meet Eric Allman once. He seemed nice. > Please provide evidence for your claims. You will have to forgive me because I have only been on the `net for a minute or two, and never worked for AOL, but don't you sort of water this down below and - at the perilous risk of putting words in your mouth - agree that this is entirely possible, but, maybe a little work? >>> The policy you are proposing is null and void, because the >>> software >>> in question is not physically capable of acting in the manner >>> you suggest. >> >> You have the sender and the recipient right at the beginning of the >> SMTP transaction. Check a map to see if it's deliverable. Mailman >> already maintains such a map. You just need some glue. > > That would be nice, but Mailman does not, in fact, maintain such a > map. It has a procedure that it goes through to determine if the > user is a subscriber or should otherwise be moderated or the > message should be rejected, but there is no easy "map" for this > process. Ok, maybe it's not an MTA-ready map, but Mailman looks up the sender in it's subscriber database when it gets a message to a members only list, right? That code exists? And could be adapted, in a fairly straight-forward manor to do exactly the same thing a few seconds earlier, before your message hits disk? Probably my misunderstanding. >> Surely other MTAs give admins a way to make decisions during SMTP >> as well? > > Sure, anyone can write an SMTP or LMTP-like engine that internally > goes through the processes that the MLM would normally go through, > and be able to provide that information to the MTA through a proxy > service, but the MTA would also have to be configured to hold the > sender open while checking the proxy -- again, most MTAs are not > configured to do this, and for lots of good reasons the MTA authors > suggest in the strongest possible terms that you not make the > mistake of configuring their software in this way. Seems like you are imagining a lot of unnecessary plumbing. When you have the sender address during SMTP If it's going to a known Mailman list address If the sender address can't be found in the list subscriber db Say no thanks...(or say please try again later) Mailman will do all of this a second or two later anyway, right? >> I think the right solution is to reject junk, instead of accept- >> and-bounce. >> I think accept-and-bounce is a blight on the internet, that >> lowers the >> quality and reputation of email. I think it is a waste of >> resources. > > Fine. Then write the Python code to do all the magic work and > contribute that back to the Mailman community, and get that > incorporated into an upcoming release. Well you know of course I was trying to goad you into writing it. I don't know Python, or have a problem with backscatter. :) - H -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFECIKHOy/dHTCUq6oRAiAKAKD4tiNXVX0RO9idCNMLk5+ni3AG/wCg5RhS U+Woiw8Nn0HVfXBqtrfmTxY= =W7Ix -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
