At 9:07 AM -0800 11/10/06, Dragon wrote: > This begs the question, why can you NOT afford to filter some lists?
You must not recognize the name. Gadi is not quite as well known in the security field as Bruce Schneier, but he's close. I recognize the name, and I understand the pain that Gadi is going through. He's running some mailing lists (many of which are private/by-invitation-only, I'm sure), where people discuss a variety of security-related topics, including things like botnet infections, the types of messages that the botnet members will send out, etc.... In other words, a great deal of the content of certain lists would look pretty much exactly like spam to a dumb tool like SpamAssassin, because it *is* spam. Well, it's actually a discussion *about* spam, with real-world examples. The real problem here is how do you run a mailing list system where Internet security professionals with twenty or thirty years of experience can get together and intelligently discuss a variety of subjects (including spam), while being able to protect that list against modern types of abuse. I'm not sure you can do that with the typical types of "dumb" tools that are normally discussed on mailing lists like this. SpamAssassin (or something like it) is more than enough for 99.99999% of the people out there, but if you really are one of those "beyond six sigma" types, what do you do? > I've found that since we implemented gray-listing and spam-assassin > and ClamAV on my server, I get maybe one Spam mail slipping through > to mailman each month. Most times, it is completely spam-free and the > only moderation request I get are for members trying to post to a > member's only list from an alternative e-mail address. That's great, and you're ahead of 99% of the rest of the people on this list. The problem is that Gadi is so far beyond that level that you don't even know his name. Hell, I'm not sure that I can come up to his level, but I do at least recognize his name and the sort of problem that I'm pretty sure he's facing. -- Brad Knowles, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trend Micro has announced that they will cancel the stop.mail-abuse.org mail forwarding service as of 15 November 2006. If you have an old e-mail account for me at this domain, please make sure you correct that with the current address. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp
