Stephen you are my hero! Regards, Brian -------------------------------------- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - "Curious comments from a web hosting techie"
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mailman- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen J. > Turnbull > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:33 PM > To: Charles Marcus > Cc: mailman-users@python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo > > Charles Marcus writes: > > > No one has a 'Right' to talk to anyone else's mail server. > > Everybody here concedes that, I think. > > > If they aren't playing well, document it: let anyone who uses your > > services know that if THEY choose to use a problematic service, that > is > > their choice and their risk (of lost messages). > > But the problem is that *Brian* (as an example) is an ISP whose > reliability comes into question not because *his* customers use Yahoo, > but because *his customers'* customers (subscribers, whatever) use > Yahoo. His customers are paying him money so that he takes care of > the mail; they do not want to tell their customers to change their > mail services. > > Worst of all, if spam gets through, it's definitely Yahoo's fault > (although shared with everybody else in the pipeline); they *could* > have stopped it, for sure. But if mail delivery is poor, you get > fingers pointing in every direction, and Yahoo is quite justified in > claiming that even if they make their best effort, they can't deliver > mail that got lost somewhere else. Yahoo's customers are going to be > disposed to believe that the problem is indeed elsewhere (the > alternative is accepting their own responsibility for choosing a > broken service, you see). > > So Brian (and other ISPs/hosting services like his) is caught in the > middle. He can't guarantee reliability because that depends on the > customers' customer base, but reliability is what he takes pride in. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- > users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- > users/brian%40emwd.com > > Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw- > mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp