On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:42:43 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: >John Fitzsimons wrote:
>>Does anyone here know what actually goes to Mailman from Gmane ? >I think you are in the best position to answer that. Er. No. I don't. I don't have root access to my hosted server, and have no idea where my Mailman logs, or archives, are kept. Your reply to Young, Darren suggests.... /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list/index.html file /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list.mbox/ When I FTP to my site I see... No "usr" directory. No "local" directory. No "mailman" directory. No "archives" directory. No "private" directory etc. >>(1) Is it simply an email, with Gmane as the sender ? With no mention >>of the newsgroup poster in any of the headers ? >I assume it is an email unless you have set up a Mail<>News Gateway to >poll Gmane. I have that setup. I don't however know that it is needed. From what I can see Gmane gets it's input as a result of.. (1) It's subscription to my mailing list (2) The gateway setup. I don't understand why both are needed. IMO one, OR the other, should cover things. Assuming that NNTP posting does NOT result in a post to their server but instead results in an email to the mailing list first. >>(2) Is there anything contained in any of the headers from Gmane that >>refers to the newsgroup poster ? >Is not the poster's address in the From: header? Well, I didn't know the answer to that question. Fortunately however someone here was good enough to send me a header example and it appears that the poster of a newsgroup post appears at least twice. In the newsgroup post header as.. From: Fred Smith [email protected] and in the header sent by Gmane. From: Fred Smith [email protected] < snip > >What follows refers to a default installation of GNU Mailman except for >one guess at a cPanel URL. It may or may not apply to cPanel. Also, >some of these thing are site configuration settings that can be >overridden by a packager (cPanel) or an installation (your ISP). >Mailman has two concepts of the sender of a post. One is used to >determine whether or not the sender is a list member and the other is >used after it is determined that the post is not from a member to >determine if the sender is in *_these_nonmembers. >The first test is to inspect all addresses from the following in order >(determined by the setting of SENDER_HEADERS) >1) the From: header >2) the 'unix from' or envelope sender >3) the Reply-To: header >4) the Sender: header >If any of these addresses matches a list member, the post is determined >to be a member post from the first found member address and handled >accordingly. >If the post is not from a member as above it is from the address in the >From: header. If there is no From:, it is the address in the Sender: >header and if there is neither, it is the envelope sender (unix from) >(the from/sender order is reversed if USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = Yes). >Is some Gmane address a member of your list? If so, and that address is >in one of 2 - 4 above, that's why non-member posts get to your list >from Gmane. Yes, Gmane is subscribed as a Gmane Administrator. >I think you can see a full, raw message from Gmane if your list has >archives. For a cPanel list [email protected], you would go to >http://example.com/mailman/private/xyz_example.com.mbox/xyz_example.com.mbox >This requires authentication for the private archive (even if the >list's archive is public), but at least in standard Mailman the >equivalent URL will return the entire raw archive mailbox. >There, you should be able to find posts from Gmane and see all the >headers. When I look at the archives I don't see the header info. Which, normally I would be quite happy about. Anything that helps keep things more "private" the better. So now, here is my next question. If I setup the Gmane address for "moderation" and then put the subscriber's address in under.... "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted." Would that help to plug the Gmane "hole" ? In other words restrict posting from Gmane to only those who are listed as subscribers ? Can anyone here answer that question and/or express a view on the possibility of this approach working please ? Regards, John. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
