It appears that hotmail offers a free relay. Is that a viable alternative? On 2/24/2013 3:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> On 2/13/2013 6:11 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >>> I have not made any changes (intentionally) to mailman in many months >>> but suddenly mail from the list has listname-bounces as the from header >>> rather then the original poster. > > It turns out that the OP is using a Yahoo server as a smarthost to relay > Mailman's mail. It is Yahoo that is rewriting the From: header. > > I finally did some experimentation with sending via a Yahoo server. This > is what I found > > I connect to smtp.mail.yahoo.com:465 (SSL) and authenticate with my > Yahoo address. > > I issue a MAIL FROM. If the address is not a verified address on my > Yahoo account, the MAIL FROM is rejected with '553 From address not > verified - see > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/manage/sendfrom-07.html' > (note, this URL doesn't exist, but other help indicates you have to send > from addresses which are verified for your account. It seems the OP has > realized this and has verified the listname-bounces address on his Yahoo > account so Mailman's mail will be accepted. > > If the address is verified, I can proceed and send the mail. The result > depends on whether the From: address in the mail is or is not a verified > address on my Yahoo account. > > If the From: is a verified address, the From: header is not rewritten, > but the envelope sender address is rewritten to the From: header > address. In the case of Mailman, this will break bounce processing as > bounces will return to the poster and not to Mailman. > > If the From: is not a verified address, the entire From: is replaced > with one containing only the verified envelope sender address, i.e., the > listname-bounces address in the Mailman case. This is what is apparently > happening in the OP's case and appears to be a change at Yahoo. > > The implication of this is that Yahoo is simply not viable as a > smarthost relay for Mailman's outgoing mail. > > Note that Gmail/googlemail is not a viable alternative either as > Gmail/googlemail always rewrites both the envelope sender address and > the From: header address to the Gmail/googlemail address used to > authenticate to the server. Gmail/googlemail at least leaves the > original display name in the From: header, but that's all. > > >>> Also, I'm guessing this is related, bounced messages are now being >>> handled as uncaught bounces. >>> >>> The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce >>> format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted >>> from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all >>> unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). > > This turned out to be a bounce format from Yahoo that wasn't recognized > by Mailman. The recognizer will be updated for this. >
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