On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote: > On 09/03/2015 07:21 AM, Nitin Sharma wrote: >> >> So I set up mailman ( mailman-2.1.15-21.20 ) and have my >> SPF/DKIM/DMARC set for my domain. > > > I too have SPF and DKIM sign my outgoing mail, but I don't publish a > DMARC policy. > > >> All of the confirmation emails sent are classified under Gmail as >> "Spam". The list postings however are correctly sent to Forum Tab. > > > I just requested subscription of a gmail address to a list and the > confirmation request arrived in my gmail inbox. > > >> I see that "Precedence:bulk" is set on the confirmation emails, >> whereas "Precedence:list" is set on the posting. I think that's okay. >> >> Confirmation emails are important and I want to increase the >> likelihood of it not being classified as spam. > > > Agreed. > > >> Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. > > > Here are the headers of the message from my gmail inbox. Some lines may > be wrapped, but otherwise this is an exact copy. > > Delivered-To: marksap...@gmail.com > Received: by 10.79.28.84 with SMTP id c81csp55822ivc; > Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:04:07 -0700 (PDT) > X-Received: by 10.107.160.196 with SMTP id j187mr192882ioe.80.1441314247111; > Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:04:07 -0700 (PDT) > Return-Path: <wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail....@grizz.org> > Received: from sbh16.songbird.com (sbh16.songbird.com. [72.52.113.16]) > by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w5si175300igl.33.2015.09.03.14.04.06 > for <marksap...@gmail.com>; > Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:04:06 -0700 (PDT) > Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of > wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail....@grizz.org designates 72.52.113.16 > as permitted sender) client-ip=72.52.113.16; > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; > spf=pass (google.com: domain of > wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail....@grizz.org designates 72.52.113.16 > as permitted sender) > smtp.mailfrom=wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail....@grizz.org; > dkim=pass header.i=@grizz.org > Received: from sbh16.songbird.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by sbh16.songbird.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6C111E0075 > for <marksap...@gmail.com>; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT) > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=grizz.org; s=default; > t=1441314203; bh=yEUb4ckS6Fc1HbEAgDUhqOHNgu/RDCrA6+1VBSmCVRA=; > h=From:To:Subject:Reply-To:Date:List-Id; > b=Y29kTn45HV3hl9P8uVmdDoZFAm8kCCA9CFxj+sX9ip3gJcXktosI8ih86hSM55lxE > af74YrR1zzc0RrnLaQLni1iIr+lErigt8zU5TcchUO3Xf+rdZzR/WNzPfFhdC/MtP9 > KZy/l1rZWlB/RHDFxsM4xW1MIUmrNoUyJ0hl9Ix4= > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: wed_ride-confirm+1e5aa844ab20f780c82596c0f41b178ff5d9e...@grizz.org > To: marksap...@gmail.com > Subject: Your confirmation is required to join the Wed_ride mailing list > Reply-To: > wed_ride-confirm+1e5aa844ab20f780c82596c0f41b178ff5d9e...@grizz.org > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated > Message-ID: <mailman.0.1441314194.11087.wed_r...@grizz.org> > Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 14:03:14 -0700 > Precedence: bulk > X-BeenThere: wed_r...@grizz.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 > List-Id: GPC Wednesday Ride List <wed_ride.grizz.org> > X-List-Administrivia: yes > Errors-To: wed_ride-bounces+marksapiro=gmail....@grizz.org > > >> I opened a discussion in here too , which contain all the headers - >> https://productforums.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!msg/gmail/mxkNC3b_KK0/8xEoHtksLRoJ > > > The only significant difference I see in headers is your > > Received: from ip-10-73-187-221.ec2.internal (mail.nypny.com. > [2001:470:1f07:12b5::2]) > by mx.google.com > > which I think says your MTA identifies itself in EHLO as > ip-10-73-187-221.ec2.internal and not as mail.nypny.com. This could make > a difference. >
That was it. I didn't think that would make much of a difference, but I changed the EHLO and it is no longer spam. Thanks for the pointer. > >> According to the Bulk sender's guidelines : >> I have mostly all done correct except the below >> 1. Unsubscribe option - Don't have it since confirmation email means >> the user hasn't subscribed yet. >> 2. Use the same address in the 'From:' header on every bulk mail you >> send. - This on mailman's confirmation email is sent as >> list+confirm+<vars>@domain , and this changes every time. Is there a >> way to make this consistent? > > > It is that way because you have > > VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes > > in mm_cfg.py for 'friendlier' confirmations. You can remove that in > which case the From: will be (in your case) > > From: wg-requ...@nypny.com > > and the Subject: will be > > Subject: confirm+cf8341f8018591fef49bbfd5c5a8bf4a2f3b9066 > > Sending confirmations with that Subject: is probably just as bad as > having some end up in spam. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/nitinics%40gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
