So, anyone recommend more list-serv friendly hosts? /jim
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Jim Dory <ja...@dorydesign.com> wrote: > We have a community list-serv for local trade and community announcements > with a subscriber base of nearly 2200 people. Our police and city use it > for public service announcements, people use it for selling/trading > virtually anything (seal oil, outboards, guns, blue berries, you name it) > and is by subscription only. > > If someone is not a member, they cannot post. When a member posts, it goes > to all others subscribers. > > Any suggestions on how to answer this: > > Here is the threat (hopefully I've removed personal emails from it): > > Hello, > > These cross promotion posts from your mailing list will need to cease or > we will not host you any further. We have mounting complaints from AOL, > Yahoo and Hotmail with some of which are now blocking the server you're on > specifically because of your mailings. This is not isolated to a single set > of users complaining it's a large amount that is enough for these providers > to take action. Here's an example of Hotmail complaining today: > > X-HmXmrOriginalRecipient: < <tylerwc...@hotmail.com>snip> > X-Reporter-IP: 72.169.153.180 > X-Message-Guid: e33ffe03-30cf-11e6-80b9-00215ad73ee2 > x-store-info:qAUQJzZ73IJCLUJ+0n7ZQ5Y+hDtA5T0pTzngeWExSOA+js5BQ3esJZEb/ > hCqmGYMGDPlv0qhfifSNEBY0EeR7jdY3RHpNqJWr7fgFVdKgCT42ZLOh4B1Z > k6HwMHyTEbaui0SFrS8NYUVpqQ8zI3RRBiLXYw949+B > Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=pass (sender IP is > 198.252.106.58) smtp.mailfrom=nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com; > dkim=pass header.d=nomekennelclub.com; x-hmca=pass header.id= > nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com > X-SID-PRA: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com > X-AUTH-Result: PASS > X-SID-Result: PASS > X-Message-Status: n:n > X-Message-Delivery: Vj0xLjE7dXM9MDtsPTA7YT0wO0Q9MztHRD0zO1NDTD00 > X-Message-Info: JfKzZGNUCEyn6uZ8X2pDbY1Het57KTCuLVm3gAtPdrrl2td44M/ > wLebIq7P6BcKz/Tq4wTZhsfxggLRurC3yAI0ChdmMAEfJOhmwoMRSeeGJKozFC4gVqbNvnZC/ > JhgCd5qsAtqr0OEAYRu3koPQ9+cHL4uRNZS9J27uZshkoH4/ > X3ayvdoeyUE3YWcyuTkswynceRDw4BygQavICoswKj/9XZAZvRBbI8WuiznTMQZuGiccxghTG > g== > Received: from lax022.relay.arandomserver.com ([198.252.106.58]) by > COL004-MC1F11.hotmail.com <http://col004-mc1f11.hotmail.com/> over TLS > secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23143); > Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:00:15 -0700 > Received: from lax203.hawkhost.com ([198.252.106.68]) > by se003.arandomserver.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) > (Exim 4.85) > (envelope-from <nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com>) > id 1bCAcC-0005mK-IL; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:00:11 -0500 > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; > d=nomekennelclub.com; s=default; h=Sender:List-Subscribe:List- > Help:List-Post: > List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:Content-Transfer- > Encoding:Content-Type: > MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Cc:Content-ID: > Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent- > Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc > :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Owner; > bh=jDxrwQr0jmM9xViPdGyM4bH+/6rwqwLFUVYvxTlafm8=; > b=u8TyeCVecKwnVNP0kCePP0Pnct > XmAtx/ijufED+WEE6l444ssMce/LGKCBwpEcIN/3vBoK6dkCkh3JmivH0aA9HrZyrcelF > o27GFKbV > 1sZYQQDokwaGP4YHL4iEx0Si5AY8JCBkFgFh1BKIXUvlYq2M0CYpEO4nYcc5hUNIpArs=; > Received: from [::1] (port=42021 helo=lax203.hawkhost.com) > by lax203.hawkhost.com with esmtp (Exim 4.87) > (envelope-from <nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com>) > id 1bCAc7-000pSR-SI; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:00:03 -0700 > From: nome-announce-requ...@nomekennelclub.com > Subject: Nome-announce Digest, Vol 50, Issue 29 > To: nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com > Reply-To: nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:00:01 -0700 > Message-ID: < > mailman.1.1465758001.197313.nome-announce_nomekennelclub....@nomekennelclub.com > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-BeenThere: nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 > Precedence: list > List-Id: <nome-announce.nomekennelclub.com> > List-Unsubscribe: < > http://nomekennelclub.com/mailman/options/nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com > >, > <mailto:nome-announce-requ...@nomekennelclub.com?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: < > http://nomekennelclub.com/mailman/private/nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com/ > > > List-Post: <mailto:nome-annou...@nomekennelclub.com> > List-Help: <mailto:nome-announce-requ...@nomekennelclub.com?subject=help> > List-Subscribe: < > http://nomekennelclub.com/mailman/listinfo/nome-announce_nomekennelclub.com > >, > <mailto:nome-announce-requ...@nomekennelclub.com?subject=subscribe> > Errors-To: nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com > Sender: "Nome-announce" <nome-announce-boun...@nomekennelclub.com> > <snip> > X-Report-Abuse-To: s...@se001.arandomserver.com > X-Originating-IP: 198.252.106.68 > X-SpamExperts-Domain: lax203.hawkhost.com > X-SpamExperts-Username: relay > Authentication-Results: arandomserver.com; 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