On 05/12/2018 03:35 PM, Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
Well, it's the very nature of an archive that everything stays there
(similar to a backup).
Yes. But I believe that GDPR has implications on expunging things from
archives / backups too. Not doing so is not within the spirit of
forgetting someone.
The other aspect of a mailing list archive is that one can find it and
may want to ask the original author something about the issue there.
Yes. IMHO that's one of the wonderful things about public email archives.
On the other hand deleting the mail address (on the mail server side by
the author) also kills that communication line.
I would rather have a GDPRed (read: anonymized) copy of a message than
no message at all.
Consider if you will, someone publishing a How To for something quite
rare, including all the necessary steps and minutia. Then they
subsequently leverage GDPR to be forgotten. Would you want their how to
to be removed (possibly taking the only / best source of said
information with it) or simply anonymized so that it no longer reflects
the sender?
I personally would STRONGLY prefer the latter. The former causes
destruction / loss of usable information that is not related to the sender.
One other thing: And if someone (as a current or former mailing list
member) has the right to get the email address, name and signature removed
in one mail, does the mailing list admin has the right to delete *all*
the instances or only the actively requested/mentioned ones? And what
about other mail addresses of the same person?
My understanding of (the pertinent part of) the spirit of is that the
person has the right to be forgotten. Thus, I would think that any and
all references to the person would need to be modified so that the
person is forgotten.
So I do believe that means that the mailing list admin would have the
obligation to modify all instances of the requester in the archive.
Now, this brings up a question: Is the mailing list administrator also
responsible for my private archive of messages that I received while
subscribed to a mailing list they administer?
Does anyone know how the "blockckain is the solution to everything"
faction handles these issues? It's not that they can ignore that either
- if only to discuss the question how personal the wallet address (or
whatever it is called) is.
First, IMHO blockchain is NOT the solution to everything. It is a
technique that happens to be a buzzword.
Further, blockchain is specifically designed to detect modification.
What is done when something is detected is likely implementation dependent.
Remember that blockchain is a LOT more than just crypto currency.
Crypto currency happens to be a heavy user of blockchain because it is
possible to detect modifications.
Blockchain can be used for a LOT of other things. I've heard references
to using it for system logs as a way to prove that logs have not been
modified after the fact. Or at least detect if they have been modified.
My understanding is that blockchain is meant to make the historical
portion of what it's used for be immutable. (Or detectable.)
Or can we kill the whole problem by using a blockchain for a mailinglist
archive archive?
I think using blockchain for mailing list archives would be the wrong
way to go.
1) We have no motivation (problem that needs to be fixed) to migrate
away from what's been used for decades.
2) Moving to blockchain would be seen as an attempt to avoid GDPR.
3) The attempt would quite likely fail in and of itself.
4) The bad motivation would be known (see #1) and as such, invalidate
any attempt to migrate to blockchain for mailing list archives.
5) We would still need to have a way to delete things.
6) We would likely get into trouble with GDPR for going out of our way
to snub our faces at GDPR.
I think most uses of blockchain are bogus and I'm ready for the buzz
word to go away.
I mentioned it because GDPR and blockchain are sort of antipodes when it
comes to the right to be forgotten.
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Grant. . . .
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