Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users writes: > RFC 3464 has been out for 17 years. I think it's past time that we > stop coddling people that can't conform to it.
It's not a matter of coddling nonconformers. The only thing we are likely to be able to do about them is "Sleeping Giants" them on hostmaster Twitter. The only thing that would really hurt the nonconformers is to put them out the airlock. But that would hurt *our* users first, fast, and hard. Only if it became a movement would the large providers even notice. I know, you know that already. But a lot of the folks on this list may not. The fact of the matter is that the troublesome miscreants (Yahoo![1], AOL, Sendgrid) are large, they have lots of "captive" end users who would be very unhappy if any service they use took strong action to prevent arrival of nonconformant mail from those sources, and *our* clients are the list owners, postmasters, and hostmasters who manage sites and lists for those end users. AFAICS we're stuck in a position where the people who do the work have to make a decision whether doing the work is worth it for the project. Mark's been doing this a long time, nobody is more expert on that for Mailman 2. I support his decision: however much I'd like to make things a little bit easier for the list owners, his judgment is better than mine (and I don't know how to do it myself -- learning how would mean a lot more work than it would take for Mark! :-( ) Steve Footnotes: [1] I no longer blame Yahoo! and AOL for "p=reject" given that they were exposed to unimaginably large spam campaigns based on hundreds of millions of leaked address books used to spearphish spam and phishing messages at their users' correspondents. The alternative would have been to shut down their mail systems entirely, which would have hurt nearly a billion people directly, not to mention their correspondents. Something needs to be done about making firms with large stocks of PII accountable for leaking any of it, though, up to and including corporate death on the auction block if it's big enough. -- Associate Professor Division of Policy and Planning Science http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/ Faculty of Systems and Information Email: turnb...@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tel: 029-853-5175 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org