>> 
>> This did work a few weeks ago not sure when it started perhaps when dnf 
>> updated June 30.
>> 
>> And now qrunner is failing to start:
>> Jul 24 14:36:50 2019 (14350) Qrunner RetryRunner reached maximum restart 
>> limit of 10, not restarting.
>> Jul 24 14:36:50 2019 (14350) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
>> (pid: 14438, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) 
>> [restarting]
>> Jul 24 14:36:50 2019 (14350) Qrunner IncomingRunner reached maximum restart 
>> limit of 10, not restarting.
> 
> 
> There should be messages in Mailman's error and qrunner logs about this,
> but the qrunners should be running as user:group mailman:mailman so none
> of the setgid stuff should affect that.

Yes bottom of  /var/log/mailman/qrunner:
Jul 24 15:32:36 2019 (23332) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 23416, sig: None, sts: 1, class: ArchRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Jul 24 15:32:36 2019 (23332) Qrunner ArchRunner reached maximum restart limit 
of 10, not restarting.
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 23415, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Qrunner BounceRunner reached maximum restart limit 
of 10, not restarting.
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 23413, sig: None, sts: 1, class: NewsRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Qrunner NewsRunner reached maximum restart limit 
of 10, not restarting.
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 23414, sig: None, sts: 1, class: IncomingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Qrunner IncomingRunner reached maximum restart 
limit of 10, not restarting.
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 23417, sig: None, sts: 1, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Qrunner OutgoingRunner reached maximum restart 
limit of 10, not restarting.
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 23418, sig: None, sts: 1, class: CommandRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Qrunner CommandRunner reached maximum restart 
limit of 10, not restarting.
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 23419, sig: None, sts: 1, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Qrunner VirginRunner reached maximum restart limit 
of 10, not restarting.
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 23420, sig: None, sts: 1, class: RetryRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting]
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 (23332) Qrunner RetryRunner reached maximum restart limit 
of 10, not restarting.

And /var/log/mailman/error:
Jul 24 15:30:38 2019 mailmanctl(23038): [Errno 3] No such process 
Jul 24 15:30:38 2019 mailmanctl(23038): Stale pid file removed. 
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 mailmanctl(23422): No child with pid: 23332 
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 mailmanctl(23422): [Errno 3] No such process 
Jul 24 15:32:37 2019 mailmanctl(23422): Stale pid file removed. 

It’s as if mailman is trying to stop a process that does not exist. I see some 
very old threads that you’ve replied to for this like: 
https://grokbase.com/t/python/mailman-users/0722q1bmpb/mail-stuck-in-qfiles-in 
<https://grokbase.com/t/python/mailman-users/0722q1bmpb/mail-stuck-in-qfiles-in>

/var/log/httpd/ssl_error_log:
[Wed Jul 24 15:36:38.985638 2019] [ssl:info] [pid 13742:tid 139746600797952] 
[client 150.108.68.30:56795] AH01964: Connection to child 208 established 
(server ourserver:443)
[Wed Jul 24 15:36:38.985818 2019] [ssl:info] [pid 13742:tid 139746483365632] 
[client 150.108.68.30:56796] AH01964: Connection to child 212 established 
(server ourserver:443)
[Wed Jul 24 15:36:39.027877 2019] [core:error] [pid 13742:tid 139746600797952] 
(104)Connection reset by peer: [client myipaddress:56795] AH00574: 
ap_content_length_filter: apr_bucket_read() failed, referer: 
https://ourdomain/mailman/admindb/mailman
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