Upon further searching and reading through the archives, I think my
question is actually more related to how MM handles threads in general,
especially from the point of view of someone coming to it from years of
Gmail and Apple Mail. [This
thread](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg12393.html)
gets at my questions.
It sounds like “group threading” and (possibly) “conversation
view” are on the list to implement, but haven’t been yet. I can only
guess how complicated they are to incorporate.
I did find
[some](https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/1450-view-my-replies-in-threads)
[tips](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg00256.html)
for creating Smart Mailboxes that show threads together, including the
included example Smart Mailbox “Personal Inbox with Threads”. I also
finally saw the Threads tool, that brings up an email’s thread.
Are those the best ways to get the most consistent views of threads?
I also found some custom views. Does anyone know if these still work?
They’re about nine and ten years old, respectively, so I imagine they
may not.
[Better threaded
view](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg03323.html)
from Max Andersen
[combination of conversation and thread arc
views](https://tech-notes.maxmasnick.com/mailmate-combination-of-conversation-and-thread-arc-views)
from MaxMasnik
If there are other views or preferences I’m missing, please share.
(And, I’m still curious about how people use email *without*
comprehensive views by thread. Though, after years of viewing emails in
the context of their conversations, I find it hard to imagine not doing
so.)
Much appreciated!
Devyn
On 11 Jan 2024, at 9:26, devynosbo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Glenn,
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate the help! I don’t tend to move
messages, though I do live in threads. It sounds this will get me
there.
A few questions occurred to me since writing yesterday:
1. In recent years, I’ve relied heavily on Smart Folders in Apple
Mail for organization. Will threads appear properly in MM’s Smart
Folders?
2. How does this affect Gmail’s organization (or lack thereof)? (I
mainly use Gmail, though do intend to move more to my custom domain,
currently hosted with Dreamhost.)
3. Does this help to see threads when searching? As it is now when I
search for, say, “threads f glenn” it displays your single email
alone. If I right-click Find Messages > Related to "Threads and Sent
Messages”, it still shows just your one email. If I right-click Go
to Source, MM opens a new window, but still shows just your email.
Once the preference is enabled, would any of these views show this
thread? Or is there another method that I am missing? Searching is a
big part of my email experience, and the ability to get to a thread
through search is pretty critical.
Thanks!
Devyn
On 10 Jan 2024, at 20:22, Glenn Parker wrote:
Devyn,
I think you and I have similar mail browsing styles. I have enabled
the preference to store sent messages with their replies, because I
have a bunch of distinct IMAP folders for various parts of my email
universe. I want to be able to browse the full set of messages for
one category, and easily view the full thread of a conversation.
I rarely let messages stay in the Sent folder. Instead, I move them
manually to the right folder as needed, i.e., when they are
initiating a new thread.
In my experience, there’s no real downside. You may want to adjust
how your auto-completion works by creating a new smart folder that
contains all the messages you have sent. Using that folder in the
Preferences under Composer -> Auto-Completion Sources -> Recipient
Headers will give you the same (actually better, IMHO) functionality
than the default configuration.
On 10 Jan 2024, at 14:41, devynosbo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello!
MaiMate newbie here again, this time with a question about the
[hidden](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences)
[preference](https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/213)
to store a sent message with the message to which it is a reply.
I’m a little uncertain if this will do what I want, without
adverse affects that I haven’t considered.
Basically, I always want to see the total thread, no matter how I
get to the individual message.
As it is now, in my initial poking around MM, the messages in
threads are mostly shown separately (eg, in Inbox and Sent
Messages). The only place I see a complete thread is in All
Messages. In my day-to-day, if I look in my Inbox or even Sent, I
want to see the thread, so 1) I know that I did reply, 2) I can
refer to what I and others wrote, and 3) easily reply again if I
need to pester somebody about my last unanswered reply. :-)
Is this the right setting?
What is the argument to *not* use this? I guess I’m so used to
organizing by thread (which I have turned on in MM), it’s hard for
me to imagine emails otherwise.
I’m also unclear about the address completion setting. Does that
just mean that MM may not have access to all previously used
addresses in order to suggest them again? I don’t think that’s
so critical, as I mostly email people in my Contacts.
Last, I’m also unclear on this setting:
The same can be done with the following preference which completely
changes what is shown in the “Sent Messages” standard mailbox.
This is convenient if sent messages are not kept in dedicated
mailboxes:
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSentMailbox -string
8F9C1062-E4F8-4949-B5DC-BAB7CDEC4110
The value given should be the UUID of a mailbox. The UUID can be
copied to the pasteboard using “Edit ▸ Copy” after selecting
a mailbox.
I guess I use what’s called the “Sent Messages” standard
mailbox. That seems to me to be a dedicated mailbox, unless that
means a Sent mailbox that I have created? I don’t think I
understand ‘“Sent Messages” standard mailbox’ vs
‘dedicated mailbox’.
If it helps / matters, I don’t really use tags or folders. I
mostly use Gmail, and do use its Important tag (which I figured out
how to map properly in MM), but otherwise don’t tag or reorganize
emails.
I appreciate any guidance and hand holding here!
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