Brandon, The cost we've seen with that affiliate "forced co-registration" is when the affiliate business are under an overarching "OEM" or organizer of the brands and subsequent "ads" also placed in the message when common links, image hosting or headers/footers are used. Even though the "FROM" and authentication changes, sometimes it's the root brand that allows co-reg brands within their mail that gets dinged for being guilty by overlapping fingerprints and it may be bad enough to affect some of the transactional mail of the root good sender.
Then, I guess the cost to the consumer may not get the wanted mail by marketers slipping down this slope and gray area of transactional/marketing overlap. Totally the fault of the marketer obviously but it's crazy how many marketers don't know all the factors by which they get judged for inboxing and don't know how much to separate themselves from negative reputation elements. I don't have any exact brand examples we've seen in recent weeks but previously these were job sites, daily deals and, of course, financial "advice" brands that ran into these issues. Most of which don't last long with SendGrid. *Jacob Hansen* Senior Delivery Consultant | Expert Services jacob.han...@sendgrid.com On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 10:15 AM, <mailop-requ...@mailop.org> wrote: > Send mailop mailing list submissions to > mailop@mailop.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailop-requ...@mailop.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailop-ow...@mailop.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of mailop digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: DMARC reports not received from Google (Brandon Long) > 2. Re: Contact Cloudmark ? (Brandon Long) > 3. Re: DMARC reports not received from Google (Bressier Simon) > 4. Re: DMARC reports not received from Google (Vladimir Dubrovin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:57:06 -0700 > From: Brandon Long <bl...@google.com> > To: "Ken O'Driscoll" <k...@wemonitoremail.com> > Cc: mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > Subject: Re: [mailop] DMARC reports not received from Google > Message-ID: > <CABa8R6tEBp-k61gW-BRbNV-P2=KNRc1cw91R1MZjKbR+-oEeDA@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I've pinged the team, thanks for the reports. > > Brandon > > On Sep 20, 2017 8:36 AM, "Ken O'Driscoll" <k...@wemonitoremail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 16:02 +0200, Bressier Simon wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > Are you guys receiving ruf DMARC reports since 17th of Sept from > Google ? > > > The last one I have was sent on 17th, nothing since that. > > > > We get them for a couple of clients, nothing from Google after 18/09/17 > > 00:59:59 BST > > > > Ken. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mailop mailing list > > mailop@mailop.org > > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/ > mailop/attachments/20170920/2e2ed605/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:04:16 -0700 > From: Brandon Long <bl...@google.com> > To: Benjamin BILLON <bbillon...@splio.fr> > Cc: mailop <mailop@mailop.org>, David Hofstee > <opentext.dhofs...@gmail.com>, Vick Khera <vi...@khera.org> > Subject: Re: [mailop] Contact Cloudmark ? > Message-ID: > <CABa8R6tns50PTUcEBP3UTFuOpVq8LP8k2HamXBoL0byi4uq9Pg@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > What's the real cost to the consumer for the raffle registration? The get > more spam to their postal box or more email spam that mostly goes to the > spam folder. > > The chances of winning are likely small but so is the cost to them. None > of us mailbox providers charge based on number of messages received, and > longer term limits like quota aren't affected since it's deleted. > > There's obviously a cost to the ecosystem in terms of extra load, though in > postal mail that actually helps pay for the system. Obviously in email > it's a pure cost, though a small fraction overall compared to the more > abusive spammers (not an excuse, just observation). > > So, crappy stuff, but not purely irrational for the consumer. > > Brandon > > On Sep 20, 2017 8:31 AM, "Benjamin BILLON via mailop" <mailop@mailop.org> > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Just a small clarification: from what I understand of what > co-registration > > is, based on Signal-Spam and ReturnPath documentations for instance, this > > is when, in whatever form you are filling, there's the possibility to > > subscribe voluntarily to other, related or not, newsletters. Like if I'm > > purchasing GAP clothes and Crocks shoes (don't hit me, it's just for the > > sake of the example) on Amazon, and on the check-out page, there's a > > checkbox for each brand to subscribe to their newsletter directly. > > I think that's the spirit. And I know that what's allowed or tolerated > for > > this are distinct, un-checked boxes for each subscription. > > > > So raffles that subscribe you to various stuff just because you tried to > > win an iPad wouldn't be "co-registration". > > There's another term, "affiliate marketing" that I'm not very clear > about, > > from what I found it's basically selling your list ... maybe that's > closest > > to the case of the raffle than co-registration. > > > > The thing about raffle is that if they still exist today, I guess that > > there are still enough people actually trying to win that iPad, and that > > generates enough money for companies to continue to do that kind of > thing. > > I honestly don't understand that. > > > > > > > > -- > > <https://www.splio.com> > > Benjamin > > > > 2017-09-20 22:49 GMT+08:00 David Hofstee <opentext.dhofs...@gmail.com>: > > > >> Hi Vick, > >> > >> You are raffling back. So I hope I am clarifying the right part. > >> > >> My point with Co-registration: It does not work because there are other > >> motivations for people subscribing (and therefore other expectations). > >> Other motivations than just wanting to receive the actual email (e.g. > >> receiving an Ipad). Because the recipient barely knows the other 3rd > party > >> that (s)he is registering with. > >> > >> So even if you try to set expectations in the clearest of ways, with a > >> very good opt-in process, you will end up with many people hitting the > spam > >> button. Conclusion: It does no work even if it should. > >> > >> I am not sure where your sentence "never contact me again" is about. > >> Please clarify. > >> > >> Yours, > >> > >> > >> David > >> > >> On 20 September 2017 at 14:16, Vick Khera <vi...@khera.org> wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:30 AM, David Hofstee < > >>> opentext.dhofs...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> E.g. co-registration. In my opinion, many of the companies I met that > >>>> did that, just use it for "want to win an Ipad? Register here". This > >>>> translates to "spam me with your emails for a chance of happiness". So > >>>> basically these emails are unwanted. It is something else they are > after, > >>>> but not the email. Unsubscribing is usually a problem as well (you > should > >>>> be able to unsubscribe as easily as you > >>>> > >>> > >>> Do you really expect raffles like that to imply "never contact me > >>> again"? That's not just unrealistic, it is the exact opposite of what > >>> people expect. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> mailop mailing list > >>> mailop@mailop.org > >>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> My opinion is mine. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> mailop mailing list > >> mailop@mailop.org > >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mailop mailing list > > mailop@mailop.org > > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/ > mailop/attachments/20170920/337dd224/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:11:27 +0200 > From: Bressier Simon <bressie...@gmail.com> > To: Brandon Long <bl...@google.com> > Cc: mailop <mailop@mailop.org>, Ken O'Driscoll > <k...@wemonitoremail.com> > Subject: Re: [mailop] DMARC reports not received from Google > Message-ID: > <CADSxy6JDCEjVkaAt_cwskVCPn_0ek-ac+WBKBrH8WGzrLp8U3A@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thx Brandon ! > > 2017-09-20 17:57 GMT+02:00 Brandon Long via mailop <mailop@mailop.org>: > > > I've pinged the team, thanks for the reports. > > > > Brandon > > > > On Sep 20, 2017 8:36 AM, "Ken O'Driscoll" <k...@wemonitoremail.com> > wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 16:02 +0200, Bressier Simon wrote: > >> > Hey guys, > >> > > >> > Are you guys receiving ruf DMARC reports since 17th of Sept from > Google > >> ? > >> > The last one I have was sent on 17th, nothing since that. > >> > >> We get them for a couple of clients, nothing from Google after 18/09/17 > >> 00:59:59 BST > >> > >> Ken. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> mailop mailing list > >> mailop@mailop.org > >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mailop mailing list > > mailop@mailop.org > > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/ > mailop/attachments/20170920/5100aed2/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 19:19:55 +0300 > From: Vladimir Dubrovin <dubro...@corp.mail.ru> > To: mailop@mailop.org, Brandon Long <bl...@google.com> > Subject: Re: [mailop] DMARC reports not received from Google > Message-ID: <6134c486-8913-ced1-07f1-08bc227a3...@corp.mail.ru> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > We've never seen any ruf from Google, only ruas. > Are there are any additional limitations / requirements to get forensics? > > 20.09.2017 18:57, Brandon Long via mailop пишет: > > I've pinged the team, thanks for the reports. > > > > Brandon > > > > On Sep 20, 2017 8:36 AM, "Ken O'Driscoll" <k...@wemonitoremail.com > > <mailto:k...@wemonitoremail.com>> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 16:02 +0200, Bressier Simon wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > Are you guys receiving ruf DMARC reports since 17th of Sept from > > Google ? > > > The last one I have was sent on 17th, nothing since that. > > > > We get them for a couple of clients, nothing from Google after > > 18/09/17 > > 00:59:59 BST > > > > Ken. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mailop mailing list > > mailop@mailop.org <mailto:mailop@mailop.org> > > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > <https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mailop mailing list > > mailop@mailop.org > > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > -- > Vladimir Dubrovin > @Mail.Ru > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/ > mailop/attachments/20170920/773e076c/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > ------------------------------ > > End of mailop Digest, Vol 119, Issue 42 > *************************************** >
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