Oops.
Again, had to force it to the list.
I hate it when it does that.

Aloha,
Michael.
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Michael J Wise
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From: Michael Wise
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 11:47 AM
To: Chris Wedgwood <c...@f00f.org>; Sébastien Riccio <sric...@openbusiness.com>
Subject: RE: [mailop] Junk filtering as a tool for unfair competition




Safe Sender.



Also, trivial messages look like probes, and are probably going to be junked.



You're not dealing with a system that just relies on IP reputation, though that 
factors into it.

You're also dealing with a very complex machine intelligence that has a lot of 
history under its belt ... and that *DOES* learn from experience.



So teach it.



These days, since spammers are over-eager to submit their stuff as FPs, don’t 
bother, is my advice.

Safe Sender the traffic that is important to you, and the system will take the 
hint… slowly.

Aloha,
Michael.
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Michael J Wise
Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis
"Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed."
Open a ticket for Hotmail<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866> ?



-----Original Message-----
From: mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org<mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org>> On 
Behalf Of Chris Wedgwood via mailop
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 1:02 AM
To: Sébastien Riccio <sric...@openbusiness.com<mailto:sric...@openbusiness.com>>
Cc: Sébastien Riccio via mailop <mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org>>
Subject: Re: [mailop] Junk filtering as a tool for unfair competition



> We also have a lot of trouble with mails being sent to the junk folder on 
> Microsoft hosted accounts.

> We have no problems with gmail or yahoo.



after reading this, i created an outlook.com account (awful UI)



some (not all) trivial messages end up marked as spam as others have reported



there seems to be no way to bulk mark things as not spam either



overall a very poor experience



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