I host 200+ servers at Linode, most of them are email/web server combinations hosted in European data centres.
Interestingly, I have the exact opposite experience, google accepts all mail without a problem. But I receive lots of spam from them. See attached screenshot as an example. My problems are mainly with microsoft hosted emails (hotmail/outlook/etc), emails are silently deleted and not bounced, those few that are bounced contain a URL that we have to visit and request a delist via a web form and even then, emails that do pass go to junk all the time. The only solution, is to ask the other person to send an email first, so we can reply. I've setup the usual SPF/DKIM/DMARC/rDNS/etc. I only host a single domain per server with lots of sub domains, but only the main domain is allowed to be used for email. Emails transmission is limited with postfix, per recipient domain. Maybe google does some geolocation to feed the Machine? On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:00:58 +0100 Marcus Hoffmann via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > On 23.11.20 17:29, Philip Paeps via mailop wrote: > > On 2020-11-21 22:02:19 (+0800), Luke via mailop wrote: > > > > The system is clearly better adapted to dealing with large, steady, > > volumes of email from bulk senders. Small organisations or individuals > > running their own email seem to be an afterthought. The only way they > > can play too, is to stay visible and remind the Machine of their > > existence. Go quiet and you're out. Become less predictable and you're out. > > > > I think I can confirm this from my own observations. > I don't have many contacts using gmail (and am not sending that much > email to begin with). So I end up sending an email to googlemail every > few weeks. (checks DMARC reports... yup 2 weeks ago was the last, this > will likely be the next) > > I occasionally got them delivered to the inbox in the past but it's > mostly spam folder now. Maybe I should set up some newsletter or > something and have people with gmail subscribe there. > > > > > Happily most people I communicate with who host their email at Google > > have been conditioned into routinely checking their junk folder and > > interacting with the not-junk that accumulates there. > > I mostly go the 'ping people on another channel' when sending an email > now. At least if I suspect they might be using gmail or microsoft hosted > email. *sigh* > > > > > Email is hard. It'll never catch on. > > > > Philip > > > > -- > > Philip Paeps > > Senior Reality Engineer > > Alternative Enterprises > > > > Marcus > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
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