Can you please stop sending me this stuff, I have wrote before but stuff keeps coming.
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 10 20:22:41 1999 >Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id VAA18773; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:22:19 -0700 (MST) >Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:22:19 -0700 (MST) >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: VIRGIL Digest V1 #16 >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Precedence: bulk > > >VIRGIL Digest Wednesday, 10 February 1999 Volume 01 : Number 016 > >RE: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid >VIRGIL: Re: Appendix (Spenser) >The epic form of the Aenid >Reading the Aeneid >Re: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid >Re: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid >Moral values in Aeneid >question >Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid >Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid >Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid >Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid >Helen's Abduction >Re: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: "Rodriguez, Katherine C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:42:00 +0800 >Subject: RE: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid > >>---------- >Dear Jenny, >I am afraid that these questions that you need to ask are made by the >teachers in my school. If you need anymore, just let me know. > >>Katherine > >------------------------------ > >From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:29:08 -0600 >Subject: VIRGIL: Re: Appendix (Spenser) > >This will be of interest to some: reading through the most recent issue of >Spenser Newsletter last night I came across the following notice: > >............................................ >Thomas, Kerri Lynne. "A Note on Spenser's Translation of _Culex_." Spenser >Studies 12 (1998, for 1991): 205-06. > > Spenser's "Virgil's Gnat" adds a phrase not found in his original: > line 400's "murdred troupes." Spenser found this idea in _The His- > tory of Jason_, Caxton's translation of Raoul Le Fevre's fifteenth > century romance _Fais de Jason_. >............................................ > >Sounds like another great instance of generic contamination in this period: >Spenser knows the classical text at first hand, but he still reads it >through the filter of medieval romance. > >- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >David Wilson-Okamura http://www.virgil.org/chaucer >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaucer: an annotated guide to online resources >- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------ > >From: "Pete Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:18:24 -0800 >Subject: The epic form of the Aenid > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE51CA.CB1EF580 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >My question is, are there any books or information available which would = >discuss the form of an epic and how that form is evident in the Aenid. > >Thanks > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE51CA.CB1EF580 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> ><HTML> ><HEAD> > ><META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> ><META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> ></HEAD> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> ><DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>My question is, are there any books = >or=20 >information available which would discuss the form of an epic and how = >that form=20 >is evident in the Aenid.</FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thanks</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE51CA.CB1EF580-- > > >------------------------------ > >From: JAMES C Wiersum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:48:34 -0800 >Subject: Reading the Aeneid > >Dear Jenny, > I think one of the best study books for reading the Aeneid is >Kenneth Quinn's, "Virgil's Aeneid." It is probably out of print but can >possibly be acquired at a good used book store or on line. Though Quinn's >book is scholarly and a bit technical, the beauty of his book is that >each book of the Aeneid gets a summary, an analysis in outline form, and >a commentary. It does not get any better than this. Give it a try. > >James C. Wiersum > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >------------------------------ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:46:48 EST >Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid > >James, > Thank you for the help. I will look into it. > jenny > >------------------------------ > >From: "Pete Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:29:26 -0800 >Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid > >Thanks for the help!!!!!!!! > >have a great day >Pete >- -----Original Message----- >From: JAMES C Wiersum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Saturday, February 06, 1999 5:06 PM >Subject: VIRGIL: Reading the Aeneid > > >>Dear Jenny, >> I think one of the best study books for reading the Aeneid is >>Kenneth Quinn's, "Virgil's Aeneid." It is probably out of print but can >>possibly be acquired at a good used book store or on line. Though Quinn's >>book is scholarly and a bit technical, the beauty of his book is that >>each book of the Aeneid gets a summary, an analysis in outline form, and >>a commentary. It does not get any better than this. Give it a try. >> >>James C. Wiersum >> >>___________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >>Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >>"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You >>can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub >> > > >------------------------------ > >From: "aa 0011" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 01:17:15 PST >Subject: Moral values in Aeneid > >Are there any values and moral assumptions Virgil wanted to promote >through the Aeneid? Aeneas' Piety and devotion to his people are two, >are there anything else? > >Thanks for the answers in advance. > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >------------------------------ > >From: "aa 0011" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 01:19:37 PST >Subject: question > >Does any one on this list know a good English Literature Teacher (tutor) >in the UAE (Dubai or nearby), if yes please contact me(off the list) at >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Thank you. > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >------------------------------ > >From: "Yvan Nadeau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:25:11 +0000 >Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid > >Sex is bad, unless, as in the case of Nisus and Euryalus, it promotes >the military ethic - oh yes, or unless it is for the procreation of >Julian children. > >yn >- ------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> From: "aa 0011" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid >> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 01:17:15 PST >> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> Are there any values and moral assumptions Virgil wanted to promote >> through the Aeneid? Aeneas' Piety and devotion to his people are two, >> are there anything else? >> >> Thanks for the answers in advance. >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >> Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >> "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You >> can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub >> >Yvan Nadeau >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >0131-650-3575 > > >------------------------------ > >From: whfa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 17:24:20 -0400 >Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid > >I've been thinking about the connection between Bk. II and the fall of >the Republic; there may be a connection to morality from that point of >view: > >"Don't crucify yourself on impossible loyalties or old resentments...the >future belongs to Rome and Rome needs your support." I am struck by the >idea that in Bk. II especially, V. was writing to persuade former >Republicans (those who, like Horace, for example, had fought on the >losing side at Philippi) to accept and support the New Regime of >Augustus. The fall of Troy echoes the fall of the Republic. The first >instinct of the Republican is to die for the Old Order, as Aeneas is >willing (again and again) to die for Troy. But the future requires his >services and, suggests V., the New Rome requires yours. The gods and >visions exhort Aeneas; V. exhorts the Ciceronians. > >Thus: a morality of moral compromise (abandonment Cato's Stoic >intransigence in the face of Caesar) with political expediency shielded >from sight by a contrived historical fatalism masquerading as divine >intervention mediated by poetry. > >It is noteworthy that so many modern students of Rome will defend the >overthrow of the Republic on the grounds that it was inevitable (i.e. >destined to fall). The implied attack on Cato also points the way to the >strategy of Lucan's counter-blast: a Republican Epic to meet V.'s >Imperial version. > >------------------------------ > >From: RANDI C ELDEVIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:19:17 -0600 (CST) >Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid > >On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, whfa wrote: > >> I've been thinking about the connection between Bk. II and the fall of >> the Republic; there may be a connection to morality from that point of >> view: >> >> "Don't crucify yourself on impossible loyalties or old resentments...the >> future belongs to Rome and Rome needs your support." I am struck by the >> idea that in Bk. II especially, V. was writing to persuade former >> Republicans (those who, like Horace, for example, had fought on the >> losing side at Philippi) to accept and support the New Regime of >> Augustus. The fall of Troy echoes the fall of the Republic. The first >> instinct of the Republican is to die for the Old Order, as Aeneas is >> willing (again and again) to die for Troy. But the future requires his >> services and, suggests V., the New Rome requires yours. The gods and >> visions exhort Aeneas; V. exhorts the Ciceronians. >> >> Thus: a morality of moral compromise (abandonment Cato's Stoic >> intransigence in the face of Caesar) with political expediency shielded >> from sight by a contrived historical fatalism masquerading as divine >> intervention mediated by poetry. >> >> It is noteworthy that so many modern students of Rome will defend the >> overthrow of the Republic on the grounds that it was inevitable (i.e. >> destined to fall). The implied attack on Cato also points the way to the >> strategy of Lucan's counter-blast: a Republican Epic to meet V.'s >> Imperial version. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear whfa, > I wish I knew your real name because I'm quite taken with your idea >that Troy = the Old (Republican) Order and Aeneas' Italian destiny = the >New (Imperial) Order. That's a fascinating reading. >Randi Eldevik >Oklahoma State University > > >------------------------------ > >From: whfa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 18:05:46 -0400 >Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Moral values in Aeneid > >Thanks for the kind word, Randi, about the Aeneid comments. Sorry not to >include mt name: Will Altman > >------------------------------ > >From: "Rebecca Smyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:06:01 PST >Subject: Helen's Abduction > >Salvete! > >I have the pleasure and honour of teaching Classical Studies to a class >of 17 year old young ladies and our current topic is the Aeneid. > >One of my students asked me today whether or not Helen minded being >given as a gift to Paris and therefore whether or not she was abducted. > >I hope someone is able to help me with answering this question >satisfactorily. > >I would greatly apreciate any comments on this so that my students and I >can have an informed and intelligent discussion. > >Thank you very much, >Rebecca Smyth. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >------------------------------ > >From: "Ariel Medina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:21:56 PST >Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction > >Salvete! > >According to Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, Helen didn't mind at all. > >AM > > >>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 10 16:42:03 1999 >>Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id RAA27312; >Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:06:25 -0700 (MST) >>X-Authentication-Warning: wilsoninet.com: Host f235.hotmail.com >[207.82.251.126] claimed to be hotmail.com >>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>X-Originating-IP: [202.37.173.1] >>From: "Rebecca Smyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction >>Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:06:01 PST >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-type: text/plain >>Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Precedence: bulk >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Salvete! >> >>I have the pleasure and honour of teaching Classical Studies to a class >>of 17 year old young ladies and our current topic is the Aeneid. >> >>One of my students asked me today whether or not Helen minded being >>given as a gift to Paris and therefore whether or not she was abducted. >> >>I hope someone is able to help me with answering this question >>satisfactorily. >> >>I would greatly apreciate any comments on this so that my students and >I >>can have an informed and intelligent discussion. >> >>Thank you very much, >>Rebecca Smyth. >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >>Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >>"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). 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