<x-html><HTML> I have been enjoying this thread. <BR>I have not seen it noticed that Mynors in his lectures on the Georgics at Oxford in the 50s, though not in his edition (I wonder why?), explained <I>laetas segetes</I> in the first line as a pun directed at two audiences. >From its cognates the adjective <I>laetus</I> may originally (or for the purposes of a pun) have come from a verb for manuring fields or an activity even more basic. Thus to a good Italian or Cisalpine farmer the phrase seems to refer to "properly fertilized crops", rather than to the "happy crops" imagined by those with no experience of the real thing. <BR>This has always seemed to me <I>facetus</I> in its proper sense: witty, well-phrased, an unobtrusive score off those who don't know all the poet expects them to know. <BR>I see similar unobtrusive <I>facetiae</I> in Vergil's descriptions <BR>(1) of how Aeneas recognizes his mother Venus in Aeneid I: pedes vestis defluxit ad imos;/ et vera incessu patuit dea (404-5). ("Her garment flowed down to the bottom of her feet; and in her movement the true goddess was revealed.") Aeneas finally recognizes his mother in the way she now appears to him as she hastens away. Well, which meaning does <I>defluxit</I> have here? Does the hunter's dress in which Venus has been disguised slip down and revert to the flowing robe associated with statues of Venus clad (with de- in the sense of "down along" her legs until its edge touches her ankles)? Or does the robe fall right off (de-) beneath her feet (pedes ad imos) and does the goddess step away stark naked (vera ... patuit dea)? The verb is used in just this sense by Ovid when Arachne's hair fell off in her transition to a spider. The mere suggestion of a second meaning hidden in an ambiguous verb (and this is how I take Vergil's humor at this point) highlights the paradox of just how the goddess of sex did get to be recognized by her son. <BR>(2) of Aeneas's sudden appearance bright and shiny out of the cloud in which Venus has hidden him: <BR>repente/ scindit se nubes et in aethera purgat apertum (1.586-7). Contrary to the translations, there is no direct object for purgat other than the se that it shares with scindit. The two verbs associated with the subject, the cloud, appear therefore to describe a biological function by which the cloud disposes of Aeneas and Anchises on the ground. Does this justify the description of Aeneas by some of my students as "the little shit, who was too much of a coward to approach Dido himself"? <BR>(3) of Aeneas's fixed attention to the relief sculpture on the temple in Book I, just at the moment when he first catches sight of Dido (sc. out of the cloud): dum stupet obtutuque haeret defixus in uno (495, "while he is struck dumb and stands glued to the spot in a single stare"). Well, just what is he staring at? Why, the nipple of the Amazon Penthesilea (492), as she puts on her golden belt beneath it and dares to do battle with men. <BR>In an article in Vergilius a few years ago I suggested that Vergil, like other students of Parthenius, is fascinated by the "Erotic Dispositions" of women, a subject on which Parthenius offered Cornelius Gallus a handbook. The speeches of Venus offer fertile research for those interested in Vergil's particular sense of double entendre, especially when she compares Antenor's successful actions to Aeneas's failure.
<P>Rob Dyer (happily retired) <BR>63 rue du Chemin Vert <BR>75011 Paris, France</HTML> </x-html>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 09 09:19:56 1999 Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by plaisance.uchicago.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13769; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:19:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from wilsoninet.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [192.41.8.139]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03204; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:19:27 -0600 (CST) Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id IAA13783; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:12:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:07:33 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: David Wilson-Okamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VIRGIL: don't reply to The Classics Pages In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: 4112db7c00657017ae81af857726c35f Please don't reply to the Classics Pages probe. I believe it was sent to the list to inform people about a valuable resource for general questions on classical subjects, but since the message was distributed over the Virgil mailing list, replies to the original message do NOT sign you up for the Classics Pages; they just generate a not very useful message for your fellow Virgilians here on Mantovano. A little research reveals that if you DO wish to join the Classics Pages list, you should make your way to the following URL-- http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/quidnovi.htm --and enter your email address in the form at bottom. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Wilson-Okamura http://www.virgil.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Chicago Online Virgil discussion, bibliography & links ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub