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> VIRGIL Digest Monday, 27 September 1999 Volume 01 : Number 060
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> Re:casali reference?
> Re: VIRGIL Digest V1 #59
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> From: Christine Perkell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 99 12:06:13 -0400
> Subject: Re:casali reference?
>
> Hello Everyone
>
> I seem to have missed the Casali reference to which M. Hughes gave a most
> interesting response. I would thank someone of you for giving it out
> again.
>
> C. Perkell
>
> Christine Perkell/ Zarbin
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> Emory University
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> From: Barry Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:55:07 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: VIRGIL Digest V1 #59
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> I have TWICE signed off all these Virgil-mantovano things, and have had
> confirmation of same, so why am I still getting them? -Barry Baldwin
>
> On Sun, 26 Sep 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > VIRGIL Digest Sunday, 26 September 1999 Volume 01 : Number=
> 059
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> > Re: VIRGIL: Another Virgilius Maro?
> > Re: VIRGIL: Another Virgilius Maro?
> > Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> > Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> > Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> > Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> > Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> > Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> > Thank you message from API
> > Casali on Treason
> >=20
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> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Zimmermann)
> > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:05:40 +0200
> > Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Another Virgilius Maro?
> >=20
> > James Butrica schrieb:
> > > ><< Message forwarded by moderator follows. >>
> > > >
> > > >From: "F. Heberlein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > >Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:08:46 +1
> > > >
> > > >> Does someone know about a philosopher or grammarian
> > > >> called =AB Virgilius Maro =BB who was living in the 7th
> > > >> century? I would like to read something about this
> > > >> author, his life, his works.
> > > >>
> > > >This is Vergilius Maro Grammaticus, famous for his claim to have
> > > >attended in his youth a 13 days dispute on the correct vocative of "e=
> go"
> > > >(now and then i ask our undergrads the 'correct' solution, and more
> > > >than often i get replies like "o ege" ...).
> > > >
> > >
> > > Under what circumstances would one use a vocative form of the 1st-perso=
> n
> > > singular pronoun? And please don't keep us in suspense: which form did =
> VMG
> > > regard as "correct," and which were the competing forms?
> >=20
> > yes, funny indeed, but let's remember the Greek neighbour form:=20
> > Odysseias e (book 5), 299: "=F4 moi eg=F4 deilos ..."=20
> >=20
> > grusz, hansz
> > http://home.t-online.de/home/03581413454/sprachen.htm
> >=20
> >=20
> > ------------------------------
> >=20
> > From: Greg Farnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:01:03 -0400
> > Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Another Virgilius Maro?
> >=20
> > I must apologize to Peter from Perth, he DID NOT claim that Virgil Thomps=
> on
> > was the first. I plead a hasty and furtive reading at work as my extenua=
> ting
> > circumstance. Still, the discussion is an interesting one; and yes, the =
> name
> > Homer, when pinned on an American, is just as hayseed as Virgil.
> >=20
> > Greg Farnum
> >=20
> >=20
> > Jim O'Hara wrote:
> >=20
> > > ..... and its American use as a
> > > >first name is exemplified by (5) the composer Virgil Thomson, and (7) =
> a
> > > >television character in "McHale's Navy". Are there any others, I wonde=
> r?
> > > >
> > > >Best wishes
> > > >Peter JVD BRYANT
> > > >Perth
> > > >Western Australia
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > Nine major-league baseball players, eight born 1894-1917, and one in th=
> e
> > > 20's, have been named Virgil:
> > > >From http://www.totalbaseball.com/
> > > Virgil Abernathy
> > > Virgil Barnes
> > > Virgil Cheeves
> > > Virgil Davis
> > > Virgil Garriott
> > > Virgil Garvin
> > > Virgil Jester
> > > Thomas Virgil "Red" Stallcup
> > > Virgil Trucks
> > >
> > > Jim O'Hara James J. O'Hara
> > > Professor of Classical Studies & Chair Classical Studies Dept.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wesleyan University
> > > 860/685-2066 (fax: 2089) Middletown CT 06459-0146
> > > Home Page: http://www.wesleyan.edu/classics/faculty/jim.html
> > >
> > >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > From: Leofranc Holford-Strevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:09:31 +0100
> > Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> >=20
> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > edu>, RANDI C ELDEVIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> > >Yes, I have to acknowledge that those hillbilly associations do exist, i=
> n
> > >the U.S. context; the same for the name Homer, unfortunately. But I don=
> 't
> > >know how that came about, and I wish I knew. Homer and Virgil are my tw=
> o
> > >favorite poets, but if I had wanted to name my son in honor of one or bo=
> th
> > >of them, my husband would have rebelled--understandably, given the U.S.
> > >ambience.
> > > What's the British attitude? Doesn't anyone there give the name
> > >Homer or Virgil to their son? After all, one meets Englishmen named
> > >Terence, etc.
> >=20
> > Can't say I've ever come across or heard of a British 'Homer' or
> > 'Virgil', high, low, or middle class.
> >=20
> > Leofranc Holford-Strevens
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> > Leofranc Holford-Strevens
> > 67 St Bernard's Road usque adeone
> > Oxford scire MEVM nihil est, nisi ME scire hoc sciat alter?
> > OX2 6EJ
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> > ------------------------------
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> > From: Caroline Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 99 23:40:56 +0100
> > Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> >=20
> > I knew a cat called Virgil once, but I don't suppose that counts.
> >=20
> > Caroline Butler
> >=20
> > ------------------------------
> >=20
> > From: Caroline Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wed, 22 Sep 99 23:40:56 +0100
> > Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> >=20
> > I knew a cat called Virgil once, but I don't suppose that counts.
> >=20
> > Caroline Butler
> >=20
> > ------------------------------
> >=20
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon Cauchi)
> > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:36:38 +1200
> > Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> >=20
> > > What's the British attitude? Doesn't anyone there give the name
> > >Homer or Virgil to their son? After all, one meets Englishmen named
> > >Terence, etc.
> >=20
> > To someone like me brought up in the UK, Homer and Virgil used as forenam=
> es
> > sound distinctly American -- I didn't know they had a hillbilly ring. In
> > England I don't think Terence is taken to allude to the Roman playwright.
> > Nor Horace to the poet. I've never heard of anyone called Plautus or
> > Catullus. I'm sure I've heard or read of a dog called Virgil (or perhaps =
> it
> > was Vergil) but I can't remember where. In Malta there was (is?) a fashio=
> n
> > for Greek names, e.g. Sir Themistocles Zammit.
> >=20
> > Back to work! (I'm editing a book on a field of study I didn't even know
> > existed -- the constitutional law of revolutions. Cases cited come from
> > Restoration England, the secessionist South, UDI Rhodesia, Grenada, Fiji,
> > Queensland, etc., but so far nothing from ancient Rome, unless you count =
> a
> > quotation from De Civ. Dei, IV, 4.)
> >=20
> > Simon Cauchi, Hamilton, New Zealand
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > ------------------------------
> >=20
> > From: "Miryam y C=E9sar Libr=E1n Moreno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:21:08 +0200
> > Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> >=20
> > I can=B4t comment on any English usage, but here in Spain Virgilio (obvio=
> usly,
> > Vergil) has been consistently used as a Christian name, with no implicati=
> ons
> > whatsoever. Homer has never, to my knowledge, been used. Now the situatio=
> n in
> > South America is very different... you have the *lot *of Roman/Greek name=
> s,
> > which apparently carry no special connotations.
> >=20
> > Regards, Miryam
> >=20
> > > > What's the British attitude? Doesn't anyone there give the name
> > > >Homer or Virgil to their son? After all, one meets Englishmen named
> > > >Terence, etc.
> > >
> > > To someone like me brought up in the UK, Homer and Virgil used as foren=
> ames
> > > sound distinctly American -- I didn't know they had a hillbilly ring. I=
> n
> > > England I don't think Terence is taken to allude to the Roman playwrigh=
> t.
> > > Nor Horace to the poet. I've never heard of anyone called Plautus or
> > > Catullus. I'm sure I've heard or read of a dog called Virgil (or perhap=
> s it
> > > was Vergil) but I can't remember where. In Malta there was (is?) a fash=
> ion
> > > for Greek names, e.g. Sir Themistocles Zammit.
> > >
> > > Back to work! (I'm editing a book on a field of study I didn't even kno=
> w
> > > existed -- the constitutional law of revolutions. Cases cited come from
> > > Restoration England, the secessionist South, UDI Rhodesia, Grenada, Fij=
> i,
> > > Queensland, etc., but so far nothing from ancient Rome, unless you coun=
> t a
> > > quotation from De Civ. Dei, IV, 4.)
> > >
> > > Simon Cauchi, Hamilton, New Zealand
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >=20
> >=20
> > - --
> > *************************************************************************=
> **
> > ...There was Delphinus Polyglott. He told us what had become of the
> > eighty-three lost tragedies of Aeschylus; of the fifty-four orations of I=
> saeus;
> > of the three hundred and ninety-one speeches of Lysias; of the hundred an=
> d
> > eighty treatises of Theophrastus; of the eighth book of the conic section=
> s of
> > Apollonius; of Pindar=B4s hymns and dithyrambics; and of the five and for=
> ty
> > tragedies of Homer Junior.
> > E.A. Poe
> > *************************************************************************=
> **
> >=20
> >=20
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> > ------------------------------
> >=20
> > From: RANDI C ELDEVIK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:12:29 -0500 (CDT)
> > Subject: Re: VIRGIL: More Vergils
> >=20
> > It just occurred to me--there was that eminent medievalist (American)
> > named Charles Homer Haskins. Somehow "Homer" as a middle name in between
> > "Charles" and "Haskins" doesn't sound quite so bad. "Homer Haskins" _tou=
> t
> > court_ would have a hillbilly ring to it. I still wish I knew why,
> > though.
> > Randi Eldevik
> > Oklahoma State University
> >=20
> > On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Miryam y [UNKNOWN] C=3DE9sar Libr=3DE1n Moreno wrote=
> :
> >=20
> > > I can=3DB4t comment on any English usage, but here in Spain Virgilio (o=
> bvio=3D
> > usly,
> > > Vergil) has been consistently used as a Christian name, with no implica=
> ti=3D
> > ons
> > > whatsoever. Homer has never, to my knowledge, been used. Now the situat=
> io=3D
> > n in
> > > South America is very different... you have the *lot *of Roman/Greek na=
> me=3D
> > s,
> > > which apparently carry no special connotations.
> > >=3D20
> > > Regards, Miryam
> > >=3D20
> > > > > What's the British attitude? Doesn't anyone there give the nam=
> e
> > > > >Homer or Virgil to their son? After all, one meets Englishmen named
> > > > >Terence, etc.
> > > >
> > > > To someone like me brought up in the UK, Homer and Virgil used as for=
> en=3D
> > ames
> > > > sound distinctly American -- I didn't know they had a hillbilly ring.=
> I=3D
> > n
> > > > England I don't think Terence is taken to allude to the Roman playwri=
> gh=3D
> > t.
> > > > Nor Horace to the poet. I've never heard of anyone called Plautus or
> > > > Catullus. I'm sure I've heard or read of a dog called Virgil (or perh=
> ap=3D
> > s it
> > > > was Vergil) but I can't remember where. In Malta there was (is?) a fa=
> sh=3D
> > ion
> > > > for Greek names, e.g. Sir Themistocles Zammit.
> > > >
> > > > Back to work! (I'm editing a book on a field of study I didn't even k=
> no=3D
> > w
> > > > existed -- the constitutional law of revolutions. Cases cited come fr=
> om
> > > > Restoration England, the secessionist South, UDI Rhodesia, Grenada, F=
> ij=3D
> > i,
> > > > Queensland, etc., but so far nothing from ancient Rome, unless you co=
> un=3D
> > t a
> > > > quotation from De Civ. Dei, IV, 4.)
> > > >
> > > > Simon Cauchi, Hamilton, New Zealand
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
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> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
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> **=3D
> > **
> > > ...There was Delphinus Polyglott. He told us what had become of the
> > > eighty-three lost tragedies of Aeschylus; of the fifty-four orations of=
> I=3D
> > saeus;
> > > of the three hundred and ninety-one speeches of Lysias; of the hundred =
> an=3D
> > d
> > > eighty treatises of Theophrastus; of the eighth book of the conic secti=
> on=3D
> > s of
> > > Apollonius; of Pindar=3DB4s hymns and dithyrambics; and of the five and=
> for=3D
> > ty
> > > tragedies of Homer Junior.
> > > E.A. Poe
> > > ***********************************************************************=
> **=3D
> > **
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
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> > ------------------------------
> >=20
> > From: "=3D?iso-8859-1?q?A.P.H.=3D20Itel?=3D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:19:48 +0100 (BST)
> > Subject: Thank you message from API
> >=20
> > Many thanks to all of you who replied to my question
> > about the other Virgil.I am sorry to be late to do
> > that.
> >=20
> > Virgilius (Virgile in French) as a name, is nowaday
> > quite unusual and meeting people who were given it is
> > somehow rare. I think it began to be used as a first
> > name in France during the Renaissance period. As for
> > latin names,I personally know two Virgile, one
> > Terence, three Martial (and even one Agricola !). I
> > think the first name Virgile is still quite common in
> > the former French colonies of Africa and in French
> > territory like Martinique, Guadeloupe and Guyana.=20
> >=20
> > The quotation of the Eglogues I, below my name, is
> > indeed a very nice one.=20
> > Recently I made an exhibition of some of my
> > calligraphy works here in Tokyo. Most of the works
> > were in English, some in Italian, and only two in
> > Latin : one was the poem of Quintus Horatius Flaccus,
> > =AB TU NE QUAESIERIS=85 =BB (Carminum Liber I, XI), and the
> > other the quotation of Eglogues I (79-83).=20
> >=20
> > I choose to write and enluminate this quotation for
> > the reason that, may be, it is a good example of what
> > is =AB AMOR =BB in Virgil.
> > In the Eneid, Anchises is welcoming is son in the
> > Elysium by these words =AB VICIT ITER DURUM PIETAS =BB.
> > And =AB Pietas =BB seems to be a consequence of Aeneas
> > travel down to visit his father. I admire very much
> > the roman =AB PIETAS =BB, of course, like, for example,
> > the one that felt Aeneas when he met with Dido in the
> > Campi Lugentes. But PIETAS seems to me a quite
> > difficult word=85
> > There is also the law of Juppiter, in the Georgics,
> > poem of the arduous =AB culture =BB of the earth : =AB LABOR
> > OMNIA VINCIT =BB. As I am living in Japan, I may have a
> > good idea of what means =AB LABOR =BB ! I would not say I
> > like this word too much=85
> > And then,there is the =AB OMNIA VINCIT AMOR =BB of the
> > Eglogues. Of course, I am not Meliboeus, but I can=92t
> > refrain from time to time, living so far from my
> > country, to repeat to myself the verses 64, 65, 66 :
> > =AB AT NOS HINC ALII SITIENTES IBIMUS AFROS,=20
> > PARS SCYTHIAM ET RAPIDUM CRETAE VENIEMUS OAXEN
> > ET PENITUS TOTO DIVISOS ORBE BRITANNOS =BB.
> > For the exhibition, I could not possibly have written
> > those three one ! The Reply of Tityrus was more
> > appropriate.
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > N.B. : I have, of course, nothing against Japanese
> > people.
> >=20
> >=20
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > Andre-Paul Itel
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Fronde super viridi. Super nobis mitia poma,
> > Castaneae molles et pressi copia lactis;
> > Et jam summa procul villarum culmina fumant,
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> > ------------------------------
> >=20
> > From: M W Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:25:22 +0100 (BST)
> > Subject: Casali on Treason
> >=20
> > A few comments (too many!) on Casali's highly impressive article on
> > Aeneas' treason to which LHS referred us. =20
> >=20
> > The idea that Dido attributes 'facta impia' to Aeneas, not herself, seems
> > to have strong support in Italy - Paratore supports it in his edition and
> > names other scholars on both sides. In Britain, there seems to have been
> > a long-running consensus against this idea. Austin is distinctly scornful
> > about it and so was Pease in an earlier genertion. The self-blaming woman
> > seems (suspiciously!) more congenial to us than the woman who is
> > subversive enough to question the male hero's account of his glorious
> > past.
> >=20
> > I am not wholly convinced by Casali and would prefer an open translation
> > of IV 596 'Infelix Dido, nunc te facta impia tangunt! Tum decuit, cum
> > sceptra dabas' - 'Does it only now strike you, poor Dido, what evil has
> > been done? You should have thought of that when you were so ready to shar=
> e
> > power.' She may be thinking of herself as well as of Aeneas and she may
> > not be thinking only of hostile stories about Aeneas. Perhaps even his
> > own account of himself no longer strikes her as so impressive.
> >=20
> > Casali is surely right to say that the Temple scene in Book I is meant t=
> o
> > remind us that works of art can be interpreted in different ways. But I
> > would take view of the parallel between 'facta impia tangunt' of IV 596
> > and the more famous 'mentem mortalia tangunt' of I 462 rather different
> > from Casali's. The idea of 'impact on the mind', found in both scenes, is
> > surely not a matter of knowing that certain things have happened but of
> > being properly impressed and moved by their happening. Aeneas in Book I
> > does not so much note that the Tyrians know about Troy but that their
> > reaction is (he thinks) movingly humane. He likes the ideology which he
> > finds. This must be Dido's version of the ideology taught by Juno. So
> > Venus remarks (I, 671) that she thinks with utter dread of the turn that
> > this Juno-style welcome may take.
> >=20
> > Juno, I suppose, stands for the Greek system of autonomous cities, held
> > together by common religion and morality. The morality would include
> > faithful marriage and personal restraint. One of the safety-valves
> > of the Greek system was the foundation of colonies which would be outside
> > the influence of the parent city Dido and therefore, if its people are
> > tolerant, a sanctuary for all refugees of good character, regardless of
> > racial background. Dido is a colony-founder and is ready to accept other
> > refugees 'without discrimination'(574). This readiness reflects her
> > personal generosity of spirit. But there's an element of political
> > liberalism as well - Junoism at its best. For her part, Venus has always
> > wished to replace the system of autonomous cities with a system founded o=
> n
> > the special status of her favoured city, Troy/Rome.
> >=20
> > >From IV 321 one suspects that Dido, like some other liberals, can't quit=
> e
> > get the mass of her people to cooperate with her project. The Tyrians an=
> d
> > Trojans have not got on well. We know that the Tyrians always had
> > 'ferocia corda' towards foreigners (I 302) - Junoism taking a xenophobic
> > form among people who are not so enlightened.
> >=20
> > It is interesting to ask why Aeneas does not find, in the Temple of Juno,
> > tableaux which were unambiguously hostile to Troy or to himself - 'the
> > Trojans cower behind their walls; Aeneas takes a bribe to hand over the
> > keys'. It seems dramatically likely that the Greeks, thrown into chaos b=
> y
> > the death of Agamemnon and unable to organise pursuit of Aeneas, would
> > still spread disinformation. Sinon's memoirs must have spun a remarkable
> > yarn. Perhaps Dido can recognise dodgy propaganda when she sees or hears
> > it. No doubt she has been on the receiving end herself; Pygmalion would
> > have had a lot of explaining to do when she made off with the gold
> > reserves from Tyre and would have spread disinformation of his own.
> >=20
> > If 'the impact on the mind' in Book I led to ideological sympathy I
> > would think that 'the impact on the mind' in Book IV leads to ideological
> > hostility. In Book I Aeneas thinks that events are interpreted with
> > compassion, as he would wish; in Book IV Dido comes to interpret events
> > with exactly the hostility which he would wish to avoid. The race of
> > Laomedon, she has already perceived, is pervasively treacherous (542).
> > Why is that? Surely because it is 'Venusian' - it believes that its
> > special relationship with the gods gives it a special right to power,
> > beside which all other rights fade away. If you throw it out of one
> > place, it will flee to another, not just to found a Greek-style colony bu=
> t
> > to renew, from another fortress, its efforts at world power. She is the
> > latest victim of this process, which will just go on and on unless her
> > avenging heir can put a stop to it.
> >=20
> > Perhaps she underestimates Aeneas' love for her but she is right to think
> > herself the victim of a conspiracy, organised in fact by Venus, the
> > huntress of Book I, who has long marked Dido as her target. This is a
> > very deep ideological and religious enmnity.=20
> >=20
> > Dido, seeing herself in a trap, may well understand that she never had to
> > accept Aeneas' account of 'the facts of Troy': there were other accounts
> > of the same facts, as Casali reminds us. Moreover, Aeneas' account was a
> > poem and poets are famous for not always telling the truth. But I think
> > that Casali would have been truer to his own insight about the different
> > interpretations of works of art had he made Dido reinterpret Aeneas' poem=
> ,
> > that is see a different meaning in it without challenging its 'facts'.
> > Dido now perceives the preservation of Troy and its religious icons as a
> > sinister threat to the whole civilised world.=20
> >=20
> > I certainly don't want to return to the 'British View' of Dido as
> > attributing facta impia only to herself. But I don't think we should lay=
> =20
> > to much emphasis on 'the facts of Troy' so much as on 'the meaning of
> > Troy'. I think Dido sees herself as entangled in, contributing to and
> > destroyed by a plot to perpetuate the evil religion of the Trojans. -
> > Martin Hughes
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
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