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Dominiki, I have the panaramic of vienna viewable on my website as well. (High resolution jpeg) http://ancestry.cailleach.com I am curious to learn more about your research? Is there any significance to choosing these two? On 4/16/10, maphist-requ...@geo.uu.nl <maphist-requ...@geo.uu.nl> wrote: > Send Maphist mailing list submissions to > maphist@geo.uu.nl > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > maphist-requ...@geo.uu.nl > > You can reach the person managing the list at > maphist-ow...@geo.uu.nl > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Maphist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff Heirs)- > (kitthe...@aol.com) > 2. out of office (m...@rkg1.com) > 3. Re: Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst > (Ruggiero Fontanella) > 4. FW: The Beauty of Maps (Barber, Peter) > 5. RE: Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff > Heirs)-an ask (George Carhart) > 6. Re: Panorama of Rome and Vienna by > J.F.Probst(J.WolffHeirs)-an ask (Michael Ritter) > 7. FW: Cartographica 45:1 2010 is now available online > (Francis Herbert) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:10:58 EDT > From: kitthe...@aol.com > Subject: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff > Heirs)- > To: maphist@geo.uu.nl > Message-ID: <8de6b.bcb96a4.38f99...@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi! > > Has there been any discussion on the list as to how far one should go to > "conserve"? As a collector who frequently shocks his restoration workshop by > > "improving" a map (or more usually, a book by discarding warped and torn > covers and substituting new ones) the idea that a course on conservation at > a university encourages "filling in the holes" (or have I read too much > into the short description) surprises me. > > Kit > > This email has been sent to you by: > Kit Batten > Auerhahnweg 7 > 70499 Stuttgart > Germany > > kitthe...@aol.com > 0049-711-865524 > > If you are not the intended recipient of this email, I apologise for my > error and for any inconvenience caused. Could you please delete it and any > attachment from your computer. A short message to the above email address > with a subject line only with text - Incorrect Email Address - would be > much > appreciated. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100416/5683385b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:00:35 -0400 > From: m...@rkg1.com > Subject: [MapHist] out of office > To: maphist@geo.uu.nl > Message-ID: > <65ab0e597a6a49929c4c238a3f1e3...@4a0cbf09d4b3435b98ddd259b8d0f38f> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I will be out of the office until April 29. If you need immediate > assistance please contact the office or I will get back to you as soon as > possible. > > Mike Casino > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:19:43 +0200 > From: Ruggiero Fontanella <ruggier...@gmail.com> > Subject: [MapHist] Re: Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst > To: maphist@geo.uu.nl > Message-ID: > <i2l163495251004160319udac2fdb7n1b5a9dcea3ec4...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hello, > I have both the panoramic views about Rome and Vienna by Probst. There are > various editions from different copper so I'm not sure that the mine are the > same that you are looking for. Anyway you can see if there are of something > of your interest on www.ideararemaps.com > Highest Regards > Ruggiero Fontanella > > 2010/4/16 <maphist-requ...@geo.uu.nl> > >> Send Maphist mailing list submissions to >> maphist@geo.uu.nl >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> maphist-requ...@geo.uu.nl >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> maphist-ow...@geo.uu.nl >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Maphist digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. The Oxford Seminars in Cartography - 13 May (Nick Millea) >> 2. RE: map state (Cook, Andrew) >> 3. RE: Pianta della Cit[ta di Mal]ta Uechia (Francis Herbert) >> 4. A Greek book on cartography of Greece - in Greek (2009) >> (Francis Herbert) >> 5. Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff Heirs)- an >> ask (Dominika Krawczyk) >> 6. RE: Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff >> Heirs)-an ask (Francis Herbert) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:12:38 +0100 >> From: "Nick Millea" <nick.mil...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk> >> Subject: [MapHist] The Oxford Seminars in Cartography - 13 May >> To: <maphist@geo.uu.nl> >> Message-ID: >> <90d289a1aead8a418c15fbaef938b34c01593...@ouls-exch01.ouls.ox.ac.uk >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Dear All, >> >> Cross-posted to various listservs and the Friends of TOSCA. >> >> Here are the details for our third and final seminar of the 2009/10 >> series. All are welcome to attend. >> Please forward any queries to Nick Millea (contact details below). >> >> >> >> THE OXFORD SEMINARS IN CARTOGRAPHY >> >> 17th Annual Series >> >> >> Thursday 13 May 2010 >> The Corpus Christi Collection: a set of Dutch and English manuscript sea >> charts of South East Asia and the East Indies from around 1660-1670. >> By Sjoerd de Meer (Maritiem Museum, Rotterdam) >> >> Seminar runs from 5.00pm to 6.30pm at the University of Oxford Centre >> for the Environment, South Parks Road, Oxford, OX1 3QY >> >> >> The Oxford Seminars in Cartography are supported by the Friends of >> TOSCA, ESRI (UK) Ltd, Oxford Cartographers, and the School of Geography >> and the Environment >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> >> Nick Millea >> >> Map Librarian, Bodleian Library, Broad Street, Oxford, OX1 3BG >> Tel: 01865 287119 >> Fax: 01865 277139 >> Email: nick.mil...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk >> ***PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!*** >> >> Homepage: http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/guides/maps/ >> >> Temporary move of Special Collections: >> More information at: www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/scmoves >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:21:38 +0100 >> From: "Cook, Andrew" <andrew.c...@bl.uk> >> Subject: RE: [MapHist] map state >> To: "Discussion group for map history" <maphist@geo.uu.nl> >> Message-ID: >> <ce0b7072f12a4445b9d57bcf6574308404ccf...@w2k3-lonex2.ad.bl.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Paper maps don't have 'states'. Only a plate can change state, when >> interfered with by an engraver. Any map is merely an example of those >> maps printed from that plate in a particular state. An act of printing, >> applying a sheet of paper to an inked plate, is an impression. We all >> use 'copy' of a map (as in 'a copy of a book') too loosely when we >> really mean an example of those maps printed from a particular state of >> a plate, and so it is convenient to use 'impression', meaning >> 'impression from a state of a plate'. >> 'Copy' denotes an act of copying, either by hand ('manuscript copy of >> ...'), or by printing from a new printing surface or substrate derived >> from a paper example of a map previously printed from another plate. >> Separate from this is the derivation of printing substrates (new or >> duplicate plates) direct from former plates, either photomechanically or >> electrolytically. Or the derivation of new planographic printing >> surfaces (stone, zinc or plastic) photomechanically from engraved >> plates. But this is all much later than the sixteenth century ... >> HTH >> Andrew Cook >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Andrew S Cook PhD FRHistS FRSA >> Map Archivist, India Office Records >> Asia, Pacific & Africa Collections >> T +44 (0) 20 7412 7828 >> F +44 (0) 20 7412 7641 >> The British Library >> 96 Euston Road >> London NW1 2DB >> >> www.bl.uk >> ________________________________ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] On >> Behalf Of Alfred Moldovan >> Sent: 14 April 2010 20:45 >> To: maph...@geog.uu.nl >> Subject: [MapHist] map state >> >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to >> the whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> o + >> >> How does one differentiate between a "copy" and "later state" of a map? >> Al >> >> Alfred Moldovan, MD >> 444 Central Park West >> New York, NY 10025 >> Tel. 212.865.2828 >> Fax: 212.865.3111 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >> the views of the author. >> List Information: http://www.maphist.nl >> >> Maphist mailing list >> Maphist@geo.uu.nl >> http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:59:12 +0100 >> From: "Francis Herbert" <francis443herb...@btinternet.com> >> Subject: RE: [MapHist] Pianta della Cit[ta di Mal]ta Uechia >> To: "'C.Delano-Smith'" <c.delano-sm...@qmul.ac.uk>, "'Discussion group >> for map history'" <maphist@geo.uu.nl> >> Message-ID: <28fecac1a2954a09b53101c2439c5...@francis> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Catherine: >> >> >> >> Before we all plunge headlong into 're-inventing the wheel' - that is, >> citing Dr Albert Ganado and the most likely of his published works on >> the cartography of Malta (etc.) - to provide the required answers, has >> Roger Vella [or 'Della'?] Bonavita, in fact, confirmed that he has >> already investigated this most authoritative source? >> >> >> >> Francis (who else?) >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] On >> Behalf Of C.Delano-Smith >> Sent: 15 April 2010 09:03 >> To: Maphist >> Subject: [MapHist] Pianta della Cit[ta di Mal]ta Uechia >> >> >> >> Dear MapHisters, >> >> >> >> Is anybody able to help a non-subscriber, Roger Vella Bonavita (W >> Australia) who is writing on Malta and searching for a map formerly in >> the collection of G H Beans, passed to Tall Trees Library, but >> eventually sold separately when the remainder of the Beans collection >> was broken up. See Imago Mundi , vol VI 'Notes from the Tall Tree >> Library' pp32/3. >> >> >> >> The map is titled 'Pianta della Cit[ta di Mal]ta Uechia' >> >> >> >> It shows the old capital of Malta. Beans ascribed it to Gabrio >> Serbelloni together with plans of fortifications in Sicily and North >> Africa, dating them all to the period around the mid 1570's. >> >> >> >> If anybody is able to point Mr Vella Bonavita in the right direction, I >> shall be pleased to forward your message . >> >> >> >> Please write to me off list if you prefer. >> >> >> >> Catherine Delano-Smith >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr Catherine Delano-Smith >> Senior Research Fellow, Institute of Historical Research, University of >> London >> Editor, IMAGO MUNDI The International Journal for the History of >> Cartography >> >> >> >> For editorial matters, see IMAGO MUNDI's homepage at >> http://www.maphistory.info/imago.html >> For all matters relating to subscriptions and sales from the publishers, >> Routledge (Taylor & Francis), see >> http://www.informaworld.com/rimu >> For access to back issues (1935 to 2002 inclusive, via JSTOR >> subscription) see >> http://www.jstor.org/journals/03085694.html >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100415/7bd887a5/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:05:25 +0100 >> From: "Francis Herbert" <francis443herb...@btinternet.com> >> Subject: [MapHist] A Greek book on cartography of Greece - in Greek >> (2009) >> To: "'Discussion group for map history'" <maphist@geo.uu.nl> >> Message-ID: <df5b341584634de98142669eec1d3...@francis> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> A finely-produced, soft-covered, book that came my way during the 5th >> International Workshop on Digital Approaches in Cartographic Heritage >> (Vienna, 22-24 February 2010) organised through ICA’s Commission on >> Digital Technologies in Cartographic Heritage [see: >> http://cartography.tuwien.ac.at/cartoheritage/] and Technical University >> of Vienna’s Cartography Research Group was the following (it was from ‘a >> Greek bearing gifts’:-)):- >> >> >> >> Chartografikés peripéteis tis Elládas 1821 – 1919 : me aformí éna >> cheirografo tou Konstantínou Níder (1898) [= Cartographic adventures of >> Greece 1821 – 1919 : with a manuscript of Konstantínos Níder (1898) / >> Evángelos Livierátos. – Athína : Ellenikó Logotechnikó kai Istorikó >> Archeío, 2009. – 287p. : ill., maps, portr. (some col.) ; 30 cm. – >> Bibliogr. (in separate Greek Cyrillic and in roman script sequences): >> p.273-279; refs/footnotes 1-323 are distributed throughout the work. – >> Contents: A: Ta chartografiká tou 1821 : proigoúmena kai méchri tin >> ídrisi tou krátous [= The cartography of 1821 : preceding and following >> the foundation of the State] (p.[17]-78) [especially on works of J.-B. >> B. d’Anville, J.D. Barbié du Bocage, A. Gazi, Rígas Velestenlís, W.M. >> Leake, P. Lapie, and F. von Weiss] – V: I chartografía tou néou krátous, >> 1828 - 1889 [= The cartography of the new State, 1828 -1889] >> (p.[79]-166) – G: Ta chartografiká epómena, 1897 - 1919 [= The >> subsequent mapping, 1897 - 1919] (p.[167]-206 – Epilegómena (p.207-212) >> – Parártimata A’: To ellinikó krátos, 1889 – 1896 : I epochí kai ta >> kyriótera gnorísmatá tis [= The Greek State, 1889 – 1896 : the period >> and its chief characteristics] / Elpida Vogli (p.[213]-226) – >> Parártimata V’: To cheirógrafo tou Konstantínou Níder : ékthesis >> ergasión Chartografikís Ypiresías, apó tis systáseós tis (Áug. 1889) >> méchri Fevrouaríou 1898 [= Konstantínos Níder’s manuscript : exhibiting >> the work of the Map Service, from its establishment (Aug. 1889) until >> February 1898] / E. Livierátos, María Pazarlí, Nopi Ploútoglou >> (p.[227]-268) – Chronológio 1801 – 1919 (p.269-272). - ISBN >> 978-960-201-194-2 >> >> >> >> Any errors in transcription and/or approximate translation into English >> are my own. Should there be any questions over which transliteration >> standard was used here, I can state that it was the following:- >> >> >> >> Romanization systems and roman-script spelling conventions. – 6th ed., >> September 2008 / prepared by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names Foreign >> Names Committee Staff and the United Kingdom Permanent Committee on >> Geographical Names. – Bethesda MD : National Geospatial-Intelligence >> Agency, 2008. – vi,126p. : ill., maps (on outside covers) ; 28 cm. – >> Includes ‘Appendix A: Unicode character equivalents’ (p.105-121) ; >> ‘Appendix B: Optimizing software and operating systems to display >> BGN-approved geographic names’ (p.123-126). – NSN [sic] 7643015085177 >> >> >> >> Francis Herbert >> >> francis443herb...@btinternet.com >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100415/c1a4fcf7/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:16:57 +0200 >> From: Dominika Krawczyk <dominika.krawc...@googlemail.com> >> Subject: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff >> Heirs)- an ask >> To: maphist@geo.uu.nl >> Message-ID: >> <h2u27eea6a71004151016u7b9d1098sc78fc800b4e98...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> I am a 5th year student of Nicolaus Copernicus University in >> Torun, Poland. As a student of the Department of Conservation and >> Restoration of Historic Paper and Leather I'm doing my diploma that >> deals with two prints from one of polish monastery that I have to >> conserve and restore. These two prints are Panorama of Rome and >> Panorama of Vienna published ca.1750 in Augsburg by Johan Friedrich >> Probst ( Jeremias Wolff Heirs firm) according to Friedrich Bernhard >> Werner drawings. >> >> Both of them are in a very bad condition, what is more, they are >> lacking some fragments. I am in the middle of the process of work with >> these prints. Both of them need to be reconstructed in fragments >> which have been lost. >> >> I am searching for twin prints to be able to reconstruct my diploma >> objects. In order to do that I have started to search twin prints of >> Panorama of Rome and Panorama of Vienna on the Internet. So far I have >> found some Panoramas of cities published by Jeremias Wolff Heirs on >> auctions, but I haven't found anywhere Panorama of Rome or Vienna. I >> have also found a website with MapHist e-mail discussion. I have >> read an e-mail with a question about prints of Paris and Venice >> published by Jeremias Wollf Heirs and a respond to that e-mail. >> (http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2006-March/006880.html ) >> >> I decided to ask you for any help. Could you give me any information >> about those Panoramas of Rome and Vienna? Where I could find them? I >> suppose they could be in some Museum in Europe but I completely don't >> know where exactly. I don't know who or what institution I could ask >> for detailed photos so that I could reconstruct mine. >> >> Therefore I kindly ask to consider my request. >> >> Dominika Krawczyk >> >> PS. I could send photos of my prints to those who are concerned >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:52:59 +0100 >> From: "Francis Herbert" <francis443herb...@btinternet.com> >> Subject: RE: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by >> J.F.Probst(J.Wolff Heirs)-an ask >> To: "'Discussion group for map history'" <maphist@geo.uu.nl> >> Message-ID: <395d5afed0a0497eb5883e1539c68...@francis> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Dear Ms Krawczyk, >> >> Welcome to 'MapHist'. Alas, I cannot provide you with a direct and >> positive answer to your request; but, as we say in English, 'I know a >> man who can' (maybe . . .). Take a look (and/or then contact) Michael >> Ritter from Germany; I do not know how good is his Polish - but his >> English is very good. The reference below to his article in >> 'Cartographica Helvetica' is a good starting point (he has published >> other artilces on similar persons and period in the same journal) - >> >> Ritter, Michael (Sielenbach): Die Landkarten von Jeremias Wolff und >> Johann Friedrich Probst. 35/07 21–30 >> Zusammenfassung | Summary | Résumé | Volltext >> >> This reference is taken off the 'CH' website [www.kartengeschichte.ch], >> from which you will discover that the article may be read - free - in >> the comfort of your own home/University Library. As usual, not >> everything an author knows is in print; so Michael Ritter may well know >> where are other exemplars of your two prints. >> >> Francis Herbert (former Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) >> francis443herb...@btinternet.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] On >> Behalf Of Dominika Krawczyk >> Sent: 15 April 2010 18:17 >> To: maphist@geo.uu.nl >> Subject: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff >> Heirs)-an ask >> >> I am a 5th year student of Nicolaus Copernicus University in >> Torun, Poland. As a student of the Department of Conservation and >> Restoration of Historic Paper and Leather I'm doing my diploma that >> deals with two prints from one of polish monastery that I have to >> conserve and restore. These two prints are Panorama of Rome and >> Panorama of Vienna published ca.1750 in Augsburg by Johan Friedrich >> Probst ( Jeremias Wolff Heirs firm) according to Friedrich Bernhard >> Werner drawings. >> >> Both of them are in a very bad condition, what is more, they are >> lacking some fragments. I am in the middle of the process of work with >> these prints. Both of them need to be reconstructed in fragments >> which have been lost. >> >> I am searching for twin prints to be able to reconstruct my diploma >> objects. In order to do that I have started to search twin prints of >> Panorama of Rome and Panorama of Vienna on the Internet. So far I have >> found some Panoramas of cities published by Jeremias Wolff Heirs on >> auctions, but I haven't found anywhere Panorama of Rome or Vienna. I >> have also found a website with MapHist e-mail discussion. I have >> read an e-mail with a question about prints of Paris and Venice >> published by Jeremias Wollf Heirs and a respond to that e-mail. >> (http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2006-March/006880.html ) >> >> I decided to ask you for any help. Could you give me any information >> about those Panoramas of Rome and Vienna? Where I could find them? I >> suppose they could be in some Museum in Europe but I completely don't >> know where exactly. I don't know who or what institution I could ask >> for detailed photos so that I could reconstruct mine. >> >> Therefore I kindly ask to consider my request. >> >> Dominika Krawczyk >> >> PS. I could send photos of my prints to those who are concerned >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maphist mailing list >> Maphist@geo.uu.nl >> http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist >> >> End of Maphist Digest, Vol 56, Issue 16 >> *************************************** >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20100416/b464cf31/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:48:00 +0100 > From: "Barber, Peter" <peter.bar...@bl.uk> > Subject: [MapHist] FW: The Beauty of Maps > To: "Maphist (E-mail)" <maph...@geog.uu.nl> > Message-ID: > <ce0b7072f12a4445b9d57bcf6574308404ccf...@w2k3-lonex2.ad.bl.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > > > From: Tern Television [mailto:j...@terntv.ccsend.com] On Behalf Of Tern > Television > Sent: 15 April 2010 18:18 > To: Barber, Peter > Subject: The Beauty of Maps > > > > Maps banner > <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103307579564&s=4960&e=001IvJpGEsHetv_Amb1 > sQsgw-Axx3vRBuL1vgX6AM5jh960tCT6Obd8BauTz6mOMfPXA4wKKI4NUM7bK3d_9s87L0bS > MFEG744jP6WtEXXcYqXdM670Mk-nMOKYO0Q3xlBd> > > > > They delight. They distract. They reveal truths. They whisper secrets. > They unsettle. They inspire. 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Alas, I cannot provide you with a direct and >>positive answer to your request; but, as we say in English, 'I know a >>man who can' (maybe . . .). Take a look (and/or then contact) Michael >>Ritter from Germany; I do not know how good is his Polish - but his >>English is very good. The reference below to his article in >>'Cartographica Helvetica' is a good starting point (he has published >>other artilces on similar persons and period in the same journal) - >> >>Ritter, Michael (Sielenbach): Die Landkarten von Jeremias Wolff und >>Johann Friedrich Probst. 35/07 21–30 >>Zusammenfassung | Summary | Résumé | Volltext >> >>This reference is taken off the 'CH' website [www.kartengeschichte.ch], >>from which you will discover that the article may be read - free - in >>the comfort of your own home/University Library. As usual, not >>everything an author knows is in print; so Michael Ritter may well know >>where are other exemplars of your two prints. >> >>Francis Herbert (former Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) >>francis443herb...@btinternet.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] On >>Behalf Of Dominika Krawczyk >>Sent: 15 April 2010 18:17 >>To: maphist@geo.uu.nl >>Subject: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff >>Heirs)-an ask >> >>      I am a 5th year student of Nicolaus Copernicus University in >>Torun, Poland. As a student of the Department of Conservation and >>Restoration of Historic Paper and Leather I'm doing my diploma that >>deals with two prints from one of polish monastery that I have to >>conserve and restore. These two prints are Panorama of Rome and >>Panorama of Vienna published ca.1750 in Augsburg by Johan Friedrich >>Probst ( Jeremias Wolff Heirs firm) according to Friedrich Bernhard >>Werner drawings. >> >>Both of them are in a very bad condition, what is more, they are >>lacking some fragments. I am in the middle of the process of work with >>these prints. Both of them need to be reconstructed  in fragments >>which have been lost. >> >>I am searching for twin prints to be able to reconstruct my diploma >>objects. In order to do that I have started to search twin prints of >>Panorama of Rome and Panorama of Vienna on the Internet. So far I have >>found some Panoramas of cities published by Jeremias Wolff Heirs on >>auctions, but I haven't found anywhere Panorama of Rome or Vienna. I >>have also found a website with MapHist e-mail discussion. I have >>read an e-mail with a question about prints of Paris and Venice >>published by Jeremias Wollf Heirs and a respond to that e-mail. >>(http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2006-March/006880.html ) >> >>I decided to ask you for any help. Could you give me any information >>about those Panoramas of Rome and Vienna? Where I could find them? I >>suppose they could be in some Museum in Europe but I completely don't >>know where exactly. I don't know who or what institution I could ask >>for detailed photos so that I could reconstruct mine. >> >> Therefore I kindly ask to consider my request. >> >>       Dominika Krawczyk >> >>PS. I could send photos of my prints to those who are concerned >> >>_______________________________________________ >>MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >>hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >>The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >>the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >>Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for >>the views of the author. >>List Information: http://www.maphist.nl >> >>Maphist mailing list >>Maphist@geo.uu.nl >>http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > > > George S. Carhart > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:04:19 +0200 > From: "Michael Ritter" <michael_rit...@t-online.de> > Subject: Re: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by > J.F.Probst(J.WolffHeirs)-an ask > To: "Discussion group for map history" <maphist@geo.uu.nl> > Message-ID: <003101cadd97$9e74dee0$14b2a...@pcchef> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Ms Krawczyk, > hi Francis and George, > > my Polish is extremely bad and my English isn't much better, nevertheless > I'll try to give the expected answer. > > Jeremias Wolff and his heir Johann Friedrich Probst published more than 100 > panoramic views of European cities, among them Rome and Vienna. Most of > these views were drawn by Friedrich Bernhard Werner (1690-1776). Werner also > produced smaller town views for other Augsburg publishers as Martin > Engelbrecht and Joseph Friedrich Leopold and his son Johann Christian > Leopold. > > For informations on the Wolff/Probst families have a look at my article in > Cartographica Helvetica (Francis informed you how to find the online > version). But first of all you should direct your attention to F.B. Werner. > There is a very good book on him, both in German and Polish (Werner came > from Silesia): > Muzeum Miedzi w Legnicy: Friedrich Bernhard Werner: Zycie i tworczoscz - > Leben und Werk, Legnica 2004. > > Moreover Dr. Angelika Marsch from Hamburg is preparing a complete > bibliography of all the hundreds of views made by Werner. This fantastic > book (more than 700 pages) will be published in about two or three months. > She knows several copies and all the different states of the views, too. > > I hope this helps. > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francis Herbert" <francis443herb...@btinternet.com> > To: "'Discussion group for map history'" <maphist@geo.uu.nl> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:52 AM > Subject: RE: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by > J.F.Probst(J.WolffHeirs)-an ask > > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > Dear Ms Krawczyk, > > Welcome to 'MapHist'. Alas, I cannot provide you with a direct and > positive answer to your request; but, as we say in English, 'I know a > man who can' (maybe . . .). Take a look (and/or then contact) Michael > Ritter from Germany; I do not know how good is his Polish - but his > English is very good. The reference below to his article in > 'Cartographica Helvetica' is a good starting point (he has published > other artilces on similar persons and period in the same journal) - > > Ritter, Michael (Sielenbach): Die Landkarten von Jeremias Wolff und > Johann Friedrich Probst. 35/07 21-30 > Zusammenfassung | Summary | Résumé | Volltext > > This reference is taken off the 'CH' website [www.kartengeschichte.ch], > from which you will discover that the article may be read - free - in > the comfort of your own home/University Library. As usual, not > everything an author knows is in print; so Michael Ritter may well know > where are other exemplars of your two prints. > > Francis Herbert (former Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG) > francis443herb...@btinternet.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] On > Behalf Of Dominika Krawczyk > Sent: 15 April 2010 18:17 > To: maphist@geo.uu.nl > Subject: [MapHist] Panorama of Rome and Vienna by J.F.Probst(J.Wolff > Heirs)-an ask > > I am a 5th year student of Nicolaus Copernicus University in > Torun, Poland. As a student of the Department of Conservation and > Restoration of Historic Paper and Leather I'm doing my diploma that > deals with two prints from one of polish monastery that I have to > conserve and restore. These two prints are Panorama of Rome and > Panorama of Vienna published ca.1750 in Augsburg by Johan Friedrich > Probst ( Jeremias Wolff Heirs firm) according to Friedrich Bernhard > Werner drawings. > > Both of them are in a very bad condition, what is more, they are > lacking some fragments. I am in the middle of the process of work with > these prints. Both of them need to be reconstructed in fragments > which have been lost. > > I am searching for twin prints to be able to reconstruct my diploma > objects. In order to do that I have started to search twin prints of > Panorama of Rome and Panorama of Vienna on the Internet. So far I have > found some Panoramas of cities published by Jeremias Wolff Heirs on > auctions, but I haven't found anywhere Panorama of Rome or Vienna. I > have also found a website with MapHist e-mail discussion. I have > read an e-mail with a question about prints of Paris and Venice > published by Jeremias Wollf Heirs and a respond to that e-mail. > (http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2006-March/006880.html ) > > I decided to ask you for any help. Could you give me any information > about those Panoramas of Rome and Vienna? Where I could find them? I > suppose they could be in some Museum in Europe but I completely don't > know where exactly. I don't know who or what institution I could ask > for detailed photos so that I could reconstruct mine. > > Therefore I kindly ask to consider my request. > > Dominika Krawczyk > > PS. I could send photos of my prints to those who are concerned > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. 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Today, we are > witnessing a revival of mapping and cartography as a result of enhanced > software tools for the creation of maps, the Internet and public mapping > sites for the creation and dissemination of maps, community cartography > projects, and a shift from traditional cartography to representation and > geovisualization. As described in this article, a 2007 survey of > cartography course offerings at Canadian universities sought to explore > whether, and how, this revival has been reflected in the academic > teaching of cartography necessary to support aesthetics of map design > and tools for geovisualization. The results demonstrate that cartography > courses are offered at almost all Canadian universities. At the > introductory level, course content does not vary significantly from > fundamental principles of cartography. At the advanced level, however, > course content is highly varied, embracing the wide range of topics > relevant to the new cartography and visualization epistemology of today. > > http://utpjournals.metapress.com/content/k34254123187u293/?p=fbb76155309 > a4736ba0b7c2b20499019&pi=1 > > > > <http://utpjournals.metapress.com/content/k7218g1764583203/> Essential, > Illustrative, or . Just Propaganda? Rethinking John Snow's Broad Street > Map > > Tom Koch, Ken Denike > > > > Abstract: For more than a century John Snow's iconic map of an 1854 > cholera outbreak in the Broad Street area of Soho, London, has been the > very definition of how to discover the source of a disease. Some now > argue, however, that the map was merely an illustrative and not very > imaginative graphic. Here we argue that this position is incorrect. > Snow's mapping of the Broad Street outbreak produced a spatial argument > that was a critical evidentiary statement. This position requires us to > ask, If that is true, is the map in part responsible for Snow's > inability to convince contemporaries of his argument that cholera was > water-borne and not airborne? In doing so, we use mid-nineteenth-century > methodologies to demonstrate that the problem was not in the map but in > Snow's handling of the data. This review of a seminal study in the > history of disease studies not only informs historical perspective but, > in its conclusions, speaks to the utility of medical mapping in > contemporary disease studies, where spatialization of a disease event > remains a critical method of investigation. > > http://utpjournals.metapress.com/content/k7218g1764583203/?p=fbb76155309 > a4736ba0b7c2b20499019&pi=2 > > > > <http://utpjournals.metapress.com/content/k3735653p327346k/> Mapping > Champlain's Travels: Restorative Techniques for Historical Cartography > > Margaret Wickens Pearce, Michael James Hermann > > > > Abstract: Samuel de Champlain's travels through what would become New > France have been extensively documented and mapped by geographers and > historians today. As conventional cartographic depictions of the routes > of a European explorer and colonizer, these maps portray the locational > details of Champlain's journeys but omit the emotional geographies and > the sense of place evoked in his journals, as well as the Indigenous > geographies interwoven with Champlain's story. This article suggests > techniques for restoring multiple experiences and multiple voices to the > historical cartography of Champlain's travels, including the expressive > use of colour and type, the blending of spatial and temporal scales in > sequential insets, the incorporation of mental maps and dream > geographies, and the representation of Native voices through place names > and imagined dialogue. In so doing, the authors reimagine historical > cartography for the representation of place rather than space by taking > a narrative approach to cartographic language. > > http://utpjournals.metapress.com/content/k3735653p327346k/?p=fbb76155309 > a4736ba0b7c2b20499019&pi=3 > > > > > > > > <http://utpjournals.metapress.com/content/k68n113161072235/> Using > Spatial Analysis and Geovisualization to Reveal Urban Changes: Milan, > Italy, 1737-2005 > > Michele Tucci, Alberto Giordano, Rocco W. Ronza > > Abstract: The Italian city of Milan provides a fascinating laboratory > for disentangling the historical layers that structure the spatial > layout of a European city. In the last 250 years, the temporal span of > this study, Milan has played a key role in Italy's industrialization and > as its gateway to the centres of economic and cultural modernization in > Western Europe. This article proposes a spatial analytical methodology > that incorporates geovisualization techniques to discover and map urban > change in Milan. Using historical maps dating back to the eighteenth > century and a 2005 official city map, we applied methods of spatial > analysis and geovisualization techniques to determine which parts of the > city changed the most in the time interval considered. We then drew > parallels between urban changes and political changes in the history of > the city. Urban change is defined here as a change in the form and > structure of the city (new buildings, new or widened roads, new squares, > etc.). Results indicate that morphological changes at the intra-urban > scale in Milan appear to be spatially oriented to reflect national and > international political events from the mid-eighteenth century to the > present. 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