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please unsubscribe me David Henige On 07/09/11, a...@moldovan.md wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heather, > > > > > > > > > > > > Unconscionable and incomprehensible action > > on the part of the NYPL authorities, but then again look what they have done > > with their Jewish Division.????? Al > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] On Behalf Of > Heather Kinsinger > > > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:10 > > PM > > > To: maphist@geo.uu.nl > > > Subject: [MapHist] NY Map Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear J.P, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The library has refused to give us an official policy on meeting for > > quite some time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have asked for many months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have been told piece meal that we couldn't talk about upcoming > > events, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor ask members to join our group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a group that only benefits the library and is directly related to a > > current division at the library can't meet at the library, then no group > should > > be allowed to meet at a public institution, no? There are many of us who have > > belonged to both the Mercator Society and the NY Map Society. We have helped > > promote exhibitions and have organized events to promote their work, along > with > > making the map world aware of events at the library. The Map Society has > > donated money to the library, along with individual members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have tried to make their job easier by going a year at a time ONLY > > asking for meeting space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's it. No request for viewing maps, holding conferences or anything > > above that request. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On top of that we have suggested ways for the library to make money > > using us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggestions that have been looked over by two people who specialize in > > the restructuring of corporations who told me the library would be > > "crazy" to not implement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The library ignored our suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, we suggested that they hold a conference that the map > > society would help organize and run for free, and the library could keep any > amount > > of money they made for the event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that sound like we were in their way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have also been there for grad students, heads of other map > > divisions, Museums both in NYC and South America and heads of archives both in > > the US, Germany, and London, when their questions weren't being answered by > the > > library. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and several authors. Toby Lester, Barnet Schecter and Chet Van Duzer > > to name a few. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have turned down job offers from three map dealers, including Graham > > Aradar, to devote time solely to the map society and mapping in New York. I > have helped > > collectors gain access to view the maps at St.Catherine's Monastery in the > Sanai Peninsula, > > and to the Dresden Codex. I've reviewed Ron > > Grimm's paper on map theft for the History of Cartography project, and helped > > numerous authors, grad students, librarians, dealers, and advised collectors > as > > to which map dealer might be best suited for their collections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Kevin Brown, of > > Geographicus Maps payed me in coffee when someone purchased a map from him on > > my advice. Perfect.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those of you who belong > > to the WMS know that I've helped organize field trips with both of our map > > societies for the past few years. The last one to Princeton > > can be read about in the Portolan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several of us from the > > map society have been asked to help the Museum of Natural History > > on map related events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our Vice President lectures on Darwin > > and the Galapagos Islands on what National > > Geographic has rated as the best small cruise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Board member, educator, and map maker, Connie Brown's maps have hung in > > the White House an printed up in numerous publications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google maps have asked me to present them with a proposal for an > > International Map Society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only place the map society has not been welcome is the NYPL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless them and good luck with whatever they are trying to > > accomplish as we have no idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The NYPL has never held a major map conference, something I've wanted > > to do for years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was hoping that would happen at the library, but that's not to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am quite sure Matt Knutzen and Kate's jobs are difficult and on all > > sides I truly believe we have all tried to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be as accommodating as possible within the constraints provided. I do > > not envy them and the difficult job they must have. I do look forward to see > > what Matt can do, since he is both young, tech savvy and amicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the > > meantime, we do need a need a new home. We do not have to meet at the same > > place all the time and we do make field trips. Graham has already offered us > > meeting space and perhaps we can work something out with the Museum of > Natural History > > or other map dealers and collectors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even holding a salon at a collectors house in New York City would be welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to hold an Open House of sorts for map dealers in the > > city and will write more on that later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, a map fair in New > > York would be quite expensive and difficult to > > schedule in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think printing up a walking guide to map dealer galleries, similar to > > art dealers guides would be great and open up the world of mapping in New > York more to the > > general public. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our relationship with the NYPL has come to an end, but the Map Society > > is filled with dedicated passionate individuals and we will continue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime, suggestions and contacts for our 8 or 9 meetings a > > year are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heather Kinsinger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Board member, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NY Map Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [MapHist] > > NYPL policy > > > > > > > > > J. B. Post jbpost2 > > at verizon.net(http://verizon.net) > > > Sat Jul 9 > > 19:03:43 CEST 2011 > > > > > > > Previous message: [MapHist] > > New York Map Society is > moving(http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/017000.html) > > > Messages > > sorted by: [ > > date > ](http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/date.html#17001) [ > > thread > ](http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/thread.html#17001) [ > > subject > ](http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/subject.html#17001) [ > > author > ](http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/author.html#17001) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a former librarian, I have had to contend with policies on > > meetings and they always have not been consistent. The New York Map > > Society is an "outside" group. I trust the Mercator Society which is > > sort of a "friends" group for the Map Division, will be allowed to meet > > as before. Libraries are beset with something akin to political > > correctness and can't be seen playing favorites so the simplest answer > > is to not allow outside groups at all. Different libraries have > > different policies and enforced with varying diligence at different > > times. It would be instructive to learn the background for this ruling. > > Was another group a problem leading to avoiding outside groups > > altogether? Did the administration suddenly discover that the NYMS was > > an outside organization and not part of the Map Division? Was a new > > person put in the position to make this decision? > > > > > > > > It might be instructive for other institutions (or the map folk > > therein) to note meeting policies and how this effects local map groups. > > > > > > > > > > "You can take the boy away from the maps, but you can't take the maps > > away from the boy." > > > > > > > > JBP > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > (http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20110709/17353fdf/attachment.html)http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/attachments/20110709/17353fdf/attachment.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Previous message: [MapHist] > > New York Map Society is > moving(http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/017000.html) > > > Messages > > sorted by: [ > > date > ](http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/date.html#17001) [ > > thread > ](http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/thread.html#17001) [ > > subject > ](http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/subject.html#17001) [ > > author > ](http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2011-July/author.html#17001) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More information > > about the Maphist mailing list > > > Sent > > from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. 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