On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:48 AM, Andreas Volz wrote:

> Am Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:02:25 -0700 schrieb Dane Springmeyer:
>
> Hello Dane,
>
>> Hi Andreas,
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Andreas Volz wrote:
>>
>>> Am Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:28:50 -0700 schrieb Dane Springmeyer:
>>>
>>> Hello Dane,
>>>
>>> do you think it would be possible to release an alternative package
>>> with the autotools build environment beside the scons version?
>>
>> 'Beside'? you mean in addition?
>>
>> Isn't that the way it currently is? Sorry, I'm not very familiar
>> with autotools. Perhaps you mean to include also a pre-build
>> 'configure' as well?
>
> Yes, the configure script needs to be included. Without the users have
> to install all the autoconf, automake, libtool stuff.
>
> In normal autotools environment you generate the package with "make
> dist" or "make distcheck". I could simply add a rule to include the
> SConstruct files as extra data. Then packaging would be easier. Or two
> different packages:
>
> mapnik_scons-0.6.0.tar.gz
> mapnik_autotools-0.6.0.tar.gz
>
> each with its own build environment. Many ways are possible.
>


Ah, I see - thanks for the explanation. Perhaps Artem or Dominic will  
have ideas about the best way to package. Your idea of two different  
packages sounds good to me.


>> I would love if you could document how to use the autotools stuff,
>
> I started a wiki page for it:
>
> http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/BuildingwithAutotools
>
> It's only a basic start and I hope more detailed information will be
> added in the future.
>

Looks great!

>> both in trunk and how you imagine it working for releases. See:
>>
>> http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/124
>
> I didn't know that ticket. The owner is 'andreas'. I'm a little
> confused. My SVN name is 'andreas', but for some reasons I decided to
> set my trac name to 'audifahrer'. So is this my ticket?
>


Yes, whoever 'andreas' is on trac matters less - I meant to assign it  
to you :)

> But anyway my account had no email address. I found out that I own
> another ticket as 'audifahrer':
>
> http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/291
>

Yes, I just created that yesterday. Do you need help assigning an  
email to your account?


> I changed something with agg yesterday. Thanks. I've to check that.
>
>>> Then
>>> people could choose the build environment they like. I've still some
>>> open points,
>>
>> Are there tickets for these?
>
> No.
>
>>> but I'll fix them in near future.
>>>
>>
>> How soon?  How about for the 0.6.1 release?
>
> One was the python support that I added at latest. But it's not yet
> complete tested. Another one was the missing utils compile support. I
> fixed that one also.
>
> I think that now all features are supported. What I really need are
> testers and possible tickets. There are many build combinations and it
> needs soooo long to build mapnik on my system. :-(
>

ya.

>> http://trac.mapnik.org/milestone/0.6.1
>>
>> Note: I've assigned a date of two months from now purely as a rough
>> idea of how long it should take to close the existing bug tickets.
>> Other dev's please let me know your opinions and add thoughts to the
>> milestone notes.
>>
>>> And do you think it would be possible to include the kismet plugin
>>> in the next major release?
>>>
>>
>> We tagged 0.6.0 from svn, so the Kismet plugin is there, just not
>> yet part of the SCons build scripts or 'wrapped' with a factory
>> method in the Python Bindings.
>
> Would be great, because I've no knowledge of scons and only medium
> knowledge of python. I use only the C++ API.
>

I can do this - it is quite simple. The only work is writing the  
python docstrings for the options of the kismet plugin.


>> These would be the two things in my mind to do next, in addition to
>> documenting on its own wiki page.
>
> Yes, a separate wiki page for kismet would be nice if more information
> are added.
>
> I recorded a video how it looks while driving around. I'll post it on
> youtube shortly. Maybe I could add a link to the wiki.
>
> regards
> Andreas


great, thanks for the update!

Dane

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