I don't think so.  These queries are generated somehow.  Here's what the 
PolygonSources layer looks like, and as you can see, the query I am specifying 
is just "geom from the_table_in_question":

  LAYER
    NAME "PolygonSources"
    CONNECTIONTYPE POSTGIS
    CONNECTION "xxxxxxxxxx"
    TYPE POLYGON
    STATUS ON
    DATA "geom FROM the_table_in_question"
    UTFITEM   "cartodb_id"
    UTFDATA   
"{\"cartodb_id\":\"[cartodb_id]\",\"sourceid\":\"[sourceid]\",\"name\":\"[name]\",\"sourcetype\":\"[sourcetype]\",\"drawingord\":\"[drawingord]\",\"featuretyp\":\"[featuretyp]\",\"isnew\":\"[isnew]\"}"
    TEMPLATE WMSGetFeatureInfo
    FILTERITEM "featuretyp"
    CLASSITEM "sourceid"
    FILTER "polygon"
    CLASS
      NAME "polygon"
      EXPRESSION ([sourceid] != 169 AND [sourceid] != 412 AND [sourceid] != 820 
AND [sourceid] != 1067)
      STYLE
        COLOR "#0B3A71B3"
        OUTLINECOLOR  "#AFBFD0B3"
        OUTLINEWIDTH    1.5
      END
    END
    METADATA
      "wms_title" "Polygon Source Features"
      "wms_include_items" "all"
      "wms_abstract" "Layer of all polygon geometry sources."
      "wfs_title"         "Polygon Source Features"
      "wfs_srs"           "EPSG:3857 EPSG:4326"
      "wfs_enable_request" "*"
      "wfs_abstract" "Layer of all polygon geometry sources."
      "gml_include_items" "all"
      "gml_featureid"     "cartodb_id"
    END
    PROJECTION
      "init=epsg:3857"
    END
    PROCESSING "CLOSE_CONNECTION=DEFER"
  END
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From: James Gardner <j...@internode.on.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2024 6:44 PM
To: Rob Dennett <rob.denn...@twdb.texas.gov>
Cc: Travis Kirstine <traviskirst...@gmail.com>; mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org 
<mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [MapServer-users] Why is Mapserver slower in Postgres 13 than in 
Postgres 11?


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Could you try replacing find_srid with a hard coded srid... I found it had to 
run find_srid on every tuple...
-James Gardner

On 5 Feb 2024 5:39 am, Rob Dennett via MapServer-users 
<mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
Running

select * from pg_indexes where tablename like '%the_table_in_question%'

yields the same results for both the old and new dbs.

As mentioned, the mapserver debug output is very different from the old and new 
db are very different, even though the .map files are identical except for the 
connection string.

There are 8 select statements in each, but the statements aren't the same and 
the output from the new db is twice as large, about 1.9MB, as the old one.  I 
compiled the queries each one runs and ran them as a group against both dbs.  
The old db ran both sets of queries in about 5 seconds each, whereas the new db 
ran the new set in about 15 seconds and the old set in about 10 seconds.

I haven't yet run VACUUM on the new db, and will be doing so I Monday, but I am 
just as confused as to why the debug output would be so different.  Can anyone 
shed some light on that?

Thanks,
Rob
________________________________
From: Travis Kirstine <traviskirst...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2024 10:18 AM
To: Rob Dennett <rob.denn...@twdb.texas.gov>
Cc: mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org <mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [MapServer-users] Why is Mapserver slower in Postgres 13 than in 
Postgres 11?


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First thought is to check if the table has a spatial index.

https://postgis.net/workshops/postgis-intro/indexing.html

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 at 18:37, Rob Dennett via MapServer-users 
<mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:
I recently upgraded our db for our Mapserver from Postgres 11 to Postgres 13 
and also had to update Postgis from 2.4 to 3.4, as well as remove the postgis 
2.4 raster queries and add the new postgis_raster extension.  Now I have web 
request which takes over 30 seconds where it used to take about 2.  I made 
copies of the .map file and question and pointed one at the old db and set the 
debug level for the map to 2 for both.

These .map files were created by someone who no longer works here and I am not 
a GIS professional, just a software developer, so I am having trouble 
understanding the output.

After hitting the web page for both, I see the debug file is twice as large for 
the new db as it was for the old one.  The .map file has 4 layers, three of 
which have a status of on, one for polygons, one for lines and one for point 
and one called "AllSources" (which is off).  For the first 3, they contain

DATA "geom from the_table_in_question"

which is a field of type geometry.  In the logs I see lines like

select 
"sourceid"::text,"featuretyp"::text,"cartodb_id"::text,"name"::text,"sourcetype"::text,"drawingord"::text,"isnew"::text,ST_AsBinary(("geom"),'NDR')
 as geom,"cartodb_id"::text from the_table_in_question where "geom" && 
ST_GeomFromText('POLYGON((-12520996.7293382 2507134.52775378,-12520996.7293382 
3754586.82936786,-11273544.4277241 3754586.82936786,-11273544.4277241 
2507134.52775378,-12520996.7293382 
2507134.52775378))',find_srid('','iswp_sourcefeatures2022','geom')) and 
("featuretyp"::text = 'polygon')

There are 8 of these in each output file, but their contents don't match.  I am 
not sure what's generating them.  I do note that they, along with SELECT geom 
from ...; statements take roughly equal time whether executed against the old 
db or the new one.

What is generating these log statements?

Why does what is for all intents and purposes the same .map file produce 
different output?  I know it's because I changed the db engine and postgis, but 
if you could be more specific, that would be very helpful.

Thanks,
Rob
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