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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve 
Atkins
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [marf] Reviewers for draft-kucherawy-marf-source-ports

It looks reasonable at first glance. But I have some comments.

MARF is intended for reporting sightings of email. This extension is intended 
to make reports of traffic from behind NATs able to differentiate between users 
behind a NAT. That implies that it's expected for legitimate email to be sent 
from behind a shared NAT. I wouldn't expect to see that in the wild, certainly 
not at a provider that's well enough set up that they're accepting ARF reports 
and keeping detailed access logs and so on - rather I'd expect that mail to be 
going through an authenticated smarthost, and no non-authenticated SMTP traffic 
being emitted from the NAT itself.

[MSK: That's probably generally true, but I'd imagine it's not universally 
true.  For the cases where it's not, the data reported by this extension header 
field might prove useful.]

Do carrier-grade NATs in general use really log connections in enough detail 
that the source port is adequate to identify the user of the NAT? AIUI many of 
them cycle source ports almost immediately, with no persistent relationship 
with the user, so they'd need to persistently log every TCP connection every 
user made for this to be useful data.

[MSK: This is what Section 3 of [LOG] advocates.  We're simply matching what 
they're doing.]

For source port to be useful to the sender, even assuming they have NAT 
connection logs, the timestamp of the report is going to be much more critical 
than for previous ARF usage. Dynamically assigned IP addresses tend to last 
hours, dynamically assigned NAT mappings just seconds. We don't mention 
anything about timestamps in [ARF], other than to say it should be in RFC5322 
format. Do we need to stress the need for NTP-level timing accuracy at every 
host involved, or is the mention of that in [LOG] enough?

[MSK: We could certainly repeat that advice, or stress the importance of that 
part of [LOG].]

[LOG] recommends UTC timestamps for everything. Do we want to encourage that 
for ARF too?

[MSK: I agree with Scott; email date format captures enough information to 
convert to UTC if needed.  We could say that the report generator MAY convert 
the ARF date field, whatever it's called (can't recall), in UTC to enable 
quicker log correlation.]

What about ident?

[MSK: Does anyone still use that?]

Cheers,
  Steve


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